1199 R Superleggera

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Sloopy said:
Sorry Anti but not in full agreement with you this time.

I don't discount the bike, however the price of admission is out of range except for the exclusiveness IMHO.

As for electronic improvements, I can't see why they can not be loaded into any other Pani.
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Anti is absolutely correct.
But there's still more to the story that most people just won't grasp. AT ALL.

If one doesn't value the machine as a stand alone item. Then move on and stop whinging. IMO.

Who was it that said everybody knows the cost of everything, but nobody understands the value of anything. Might have been Oscar Wild?

As for electronic improvements, they may not be able to be loaded onto any other 1199 at all, and may take some reconfiguring for varying reasons.
All of which will likely cost you in terms of components and development.
The numbers can start adding up quickly. At the end of the day you won't have any resale value.

The price of admission to the club with the SL is easily a bargain.
And there's the resale value to factor in, in maybe 25-30 years time if you can think that far ahead.
That's the time frame you're likely to be looking at.
 
Duck41 said:
It’s difficult to make an argument that the price is too much when there is nothing else like it readily available. What other manufacturer is selling a borderline MotoGP power/weight ratio bike with this level of electronics and componentry for under $65k? Honda’s non-existent rumored bike will supposedly retail at more than $100k.

Regarding the software, in order to utilize this model-specific software on another Panigale you would first need to purchase the rights to that software (good luck), acquire and install all of the corresponding hardware, and spec out the bike to meet the exact build specs of the SL. I’d hate to see what happened to your bike when you load software coded to operate an engine with titanium con roads, double ring high compression pistons, a lightened crank shaft with tungsten inserts, and a 1000 RPM higher rev limit.
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You missed out the heads out of the equation.
From the official blurb, it seems that they've got smaller combustion chambers to push up compression to 0ver 13:1

Try buying them or anything like that, anywhere on this planet?

Not to mention the SL crank is 395 grams lighter than the R crank.
 
Brad said:
The price of admission to the club with the SL is easily a bargain.
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That the biggest ........ I have read in while . I find it a shame that people buy into that . My local dealer gave me the price of admission yesterday . If I'm interested I need to put my name forward for approval if I am then approved I have ten days to pay a deposit .
I don't approve of their bike yet .
 
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The heads are the same I thought.

The pistons have a slightly taller deck to push them outta the hole a tad more.

Thus reducing the squish and upping the compression a little.
 
thedak said:
The heads are the same I thought.

The pistons have a slightly taller deck to push them outta the hole a tad more.

Thus reducing the squish and upping the compression a little.
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Has always been the issue with the 1199 motor . Slightly longer custom con rods can also achieve the same results . This is what I would be doing to a standard 1199 motor .
 
I agree with everything most have just said.

However...I wonder...

Will it leak oil, melt fairings, or fog a dash?

Better not for that money
 
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gnance said:
I agree with everything most have just said.

However...I wonder...

Will it leak oil, melt fairings, or fog a dash?

Better not for that money
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That would be an accomplishment to melt a carbon fairing.
 
chrissa said:
That would be an accomplishment to melt a carbon fairing.
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or burn it...you know what I mean.

Seems every ducati I have ever owned is fine for about 2K miles then the oil leaks start and all the other issues. How about more R&D on fixing those problems rather than making a super expensive bike no one can afford????
 
I under stand the point if your intended use was mostly tracking, however my perspctive takes into account my intended usage.

The value to me would determen the price I am willing to pay. I doubt this could or should be considered an investment.

Not whining, just going putting my thoughts down. If money was no object I would have already ordered, however I am not there so I have to figure what I could do with the money. SL vs investments.
 
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AntiHero said:
.....I suspect they're being very conservative with what they've claimed and that the Superleggera is going to be far better than even the alluring specs they've provided would suggest....
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In the past, have Ducati ever been conservative with their claims?
I don't know the answer, just asking the question.....
 
zaster said:
under-promise and over-deliver has not been Ducati's MO in the past, why should it be now?
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It appears our well traveled friend here thinks otherwise, and I wonder what reasons he may have...
 
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Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
 
AntiHero said:
Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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Rossi.
 
AntiHero said:
Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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Lets start here...


Checkmate... Was the 1199 really checkmate for its competitors??? Or was that a reach???
 
AntiHero said:
..... I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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Do I really have 195HP anywhere in my bike, or do I misunderstand Ducati's claim?
 
Surgut said:
Do I really have 195HP anywhere in my bike, or do I misunderstand Ducati's claim?
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Have you put your engine on an engine dyno to see what type of horsepower it makes? It's less than 195??

I'm with Antihero. It's all speculation until they release it. 65k may be a lot for some people, but not for everyone. I think from what we know it's an awesome machine at a fair price.
 
AntiHero said:
Maybe someone can point out the ways in which they've over-promised and under delivered? I'm not being flippant, I simply am not aware of any instance where they overhyped something or tried to mislead consumers with exaggerated claims.

I don't know too much about Ducati's history of marketing, I'm just looking at the facts I see now.
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a couple of things come to mind: ship/release dates, performance claims, issues with first year models

Also, the marketing department does a great job in stirring up expectations and excitement but when your bike does leave you stranded and sits in the shop months at a time until DNA finally pulls their head out of their rear, the customer might feel somewhat slighted.

Don't get me wrong anti, I have bought three ducs and I'm not considering riding anything else.
 
EvoL said:
Have you put your engine on an engine dyno to see what type of horsepower it makes? It's less than 195??

I'm with Antihero. It's all speculation until they release it. 65k may be a lot for some people, but not for everyone. I think from what we know it's an awesome machine at a fair price.
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I don't think I have to considering a heavier BMW HP4 with claimed 193HP goes by your R with a relative ease....unless German horses are just simply stronger then the Italian ones.
You and Dennis could drink from the same Ducati Kool Aid keg all you want, and I'll stick to my healthy suspicions.
 
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