'12 1199s Tricolore or '17 s1krr

i know we have had this conversation a few times. i know you take your bike to heart. to others its an opportunity. we were the early adopters. it doesn't always work out for us.

S1k hands down. I love the 1199 but the fact you already had 1 its time to try something new. The mismatched head lights will take some getting used to but the new 15 plus are not that bad. The only thing that i would have a hard time with is the sound of it compared to the duc. Ive only ever heard one with an Arrow exhaust and it sounded meh

There is a third option, Get a 1199s or base and buy the plastics for a tri-colore. There are sets of out plastics out there and the cost would be less , then you can add the mods you want instead. Or I like twisted and get the anniversario! Become a number!!!!

i got both 1299 and s1000. The s1000rr is way more comfortable on the street, and no heat issues. The 1299 is sexy and un-resistable.
IMO, the s1000 is like the chick that you would proudly take and introduce to your mom, she is pretty and sweet, and you have no problem leaving her with your mom. The 1299 is like that crazy hot chick that you want to bang everytime you see her; can't get enough of her. But, she is sometimes crazy and unpredictable and wouldn't never leave her alone with your mom.
I hope my analogy helps

I have the 2016 BMW with the electronic and wheel upgrades and a 2014 1199S which is due to be returned to finance later this year and I am actually considering selling the BMW so I can keep the Panigale. All that said I find it hard to recommend the older Pani over a brand new Bimmer as the BMW is quite a lot quicker and the active suspension is much better for the road if not the track. It's simply a generation ahead and there's a big difference between those generations.

The problem is that all the electronic suspension and electronics etc really came of age in around 2015 with the 1299S Panigale and the 3rd generation BMW in my opinion. The 1199S has the electronically adjustable suspension, which is very good as you can change at a press of a button if you come across a bumpy country road, but for street riding the active suspension on the newer bikes really is excellent. The algorithms for TC and all the other stuff really moved on as well.

If you ride mostly fast twisty roads and do some track work then I'd seriously consider the 1199S Pani as then you'd really notice the light weight chassis and wheels. It's general character is the same as the base model Pani you are familiar with so you know you're getting into a pretty extreme race bike whereas the 1299 Pani and BMW can be a lot friendlier when needed. The BMW is noticeably quicker than the 1199 with a much more flexible engine that works for everything from commuting to going very very fast, but it's no where near as exciting to ride as the Panigale.

It's worth mentioning the upgrades make a big difference on the BMW, the electronics slick chip is an essential and I wouldn't even consider the bike without it as I found it very boring to ride before that was activated at it's first service, so price that into your decision for sure.
The lightweight wheels also make a huge difference to how well it rides. Even with them the BMW feels like a heavy lump compared to the Panigale that often makes me think about trading it in.

Royal -

Thank you for the above. It was actually interesting to read man!

Gunny

Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions. It is greatly appreciated. Stopped into my local dealer yesterday and took a 17 s1k premium for a ride. All I can say is wow what a machine. It is much more refined than the 1199. I think I may have to try one this time around. Does anyone know the differences in the 16 vs 17 s1krr premiums if anything? I'm not up to speed on them as much as I should be.


Gunny, that is an absolutely stunning bike. Definitely the most stunning Tri I've seen. if I decide to go that route, I will certainly be in touch.

BottlefedZ06 said:

Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions. It is greatly appreciated. Stopped into my local dealer yesterday and took a 17 s1k premium for a ride. All I can say is wow what a machine. It is much more refined than the 1199. I think I may have to try one this time around. Does anyone know the differences in the 16 vs 17 s1krr premiums if anything? I'm not up to speed on them as much as I should be.


Gunny, that is an absolutely stunning bike. Definitely the most stunning Tri I've seen. if I decide to go that route, I will certainly be in touch.

Click to expand...

Not much changed between the 16 and 17 really except the 17 has a worse looking exhaust because the euro 4 deal. Most people change the exhaust anyway so its not a big deal. You will love the s1k on the streets. Its smooth and easy to ride but nothing puts the smile on my face like my 1299S.

BottlefedZ06 said:

Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions. It is greatly appreciated. Stopped into my local dealer yesterday and took a 17 s1k premium for a ride. All I can say is wow what a machine. It is much more refined than the 1199. I think I may have to try one this time around. Does anyone know the differences in the 16 vs 17 s1krr premiums if anything? I'm not up to speed on them as much as I should be.


Gunny, that is an absolutely stunning bike. Definitely the most stunning Tri I've seen. if I decide to go that route, I will certainly be in touch.

Click to expand...

colors and exhaust get the bmw.

True That !

jsgcb said:

There is a third option, Get a 1199s or base and buy the plastics for a tri-colore. There are sets of out plastics out there and the cost would be less , then you can add the mods you want instead. Or I like twisted and get the anniversario! Become a number!!!!��

Click to expand...

This third Option is very popular believe it or not!

I actually know a few members which have gone this route too!

Not a bad idea - unless you are of the belief that it is somewhat "Posing"

I put a Tricolore wrap on my 1199R track fairings. Not the best pictures unfortunately since I crashed just after the first time out on it!

Gunny Fitz said:

This third Option is very popular believe it or not!

I actually know a few members which have gone this route too!

Not a bad idea - unless you are of the belief that it is somewhat "Posing"

Click to expand...

Really? Anniversarios are hard to get or find and as such, are priced accordingly.

Gunny Fitz said:

Not a bad idea - unless you are of the belief that it is somewhat "Posing"

Click to expand...

As a previous owner of a 1098 Tricolore i totally consider it posing Sure the TC graphic is purely cosmetic but at the end of the day its not the real thing if you just slap the fairings on a non TC bike.

panhandler said:

As a previous owner of a 1098 Tricolore i totally consider it posing Sure the TC graphic is purely cosmetic but at the end of the day its not the real thing if you just slap the fairings on a non TC bike.

Click to expand...

I don't think that a single person who has done this to their bike cares one bit about trying to make their bike a tricolore n if it's the real thing or not. I personally think the color scheme is awesome and I can almost guarantee that is the only reason people do it, be it a wrap job, paint or even fairings. For the $5k difference, you got a slipon, dda and a cool looking paint scheme. Many couldn't justify that price difference, especially since in 2013 it was only $2k less than the R model which had much more than just a $2k difference in specs.Tri may have been worth it for $25k tops but $28k was pushin it.

Hey Double O ....How ya been my man?

Ya know, I tend to agree with you a bit about people just loving the paint scheme on the Tri - However, don't you think that if someone was to do such a thing they'd go a bit further and perhaps add different touches to it which make it a little bit different? I mean if I was going to customize my base, or S, I'd do it much different rather than replicating the exact Tri scheme - somehow.

Also, when the whole 1199 series was released I was immediately attracted to the Tri since it was different in the ways you list above, and the bigger attraction for me which you left out was how much more you can tweak the suspension (actually can't recall if the S has the exact same electronics for the suspension or not) but I'm sure someone will speak up. Sure I was drawn to the looks / paintwork just as I was when I bought my 1198s Corse with the MUCH different colors and the gorgeous raw aluminum tank!! (Of course being a LE with only 500 made was huge too!) Man I often wish I kept that since the ride was so much different - I think more hardcore maybe. But the Tri was just so much more comfortable to someone with jacked up medical issues that made the Corse painful (Did I ever tell you who I sold it to, and how?) LMFAO!! Another time on that.

I guess I'm somewhat split on the whole matter - doubt anyone who copies the Tricolore paintwork etc doesn't lose any sleep over it as well.

For me personally, I wouldn't care. Hell, if someone out there was able to duplicate to exact look of the tricolore but in only blue and white, I would buy that decal set in a heart beat. Trust me, I've searched n contacted many many people and all have said paint only but I'm not tryin to spend that much just for a different look.

I'm all about being different. Decal kit could be the same but different color. Hell, even subtle changes to the original tricolore would be just fine also. Again, most people who do this do it for the paint scheme and nothing else. Tricolore suspension was the same as a regular S and R models. Nothing different. These 1199's aren't worth ..... Buying these italian exotics with the mindset of selling it one day is just preparation for a hugeeeee loss in value. My 1199 will either rott in my possession or I will total it somehow. Parting it out and selling it will never be an option. My cbr is worth double what I paid for it and it's a 10yr old bike. My 1199 isn't worth half the price I paid but I also didn't go into it with the thought of selling it one day. It's a depreciating toy and I've learned that the joy I get from my toys/hobbies are far more important than the money I've spent on them. Money comes n goes. If it's not this bike, it'll be the next bike that takes a dump in value.

If anyone knows someone that could replicate a tricolore scheme in blue exactly like the photo below, let me know. I'll buy it asap!!

Between those 2, I'd pick the BMW. For the peace of mind of warranty, cheaper parts, and imo the best package for both road and track.

Gunny Fitz said:

Hey Double O ....How ya been my man?

Ya know, I tend to agree with you a bit about people just loving the paint scheme on the Tri - However, don't you think that if someone was to do such a thing they'd go a bit further and perhaps add different touches to it which make it a little bit different? I mean if I was going to customize my base, or S, I'd do it much different rather than replicating the exact Tri scheme - somehow.

Also, when the whole 1199 series was released I was immediately attracted to the Tri since it was different in the ways you list above, and the bigger attraction for me which you left out was how much more you can tweak the suspension (actually can't recall if the S has the exact same electronics for the suspension or not) but I'm sure someone will speak up. Sure I was drawn to the looks / paintwork just as I was when I bought my 1198s Corse with the MUCH different colors and the gorgeous raw aluminum tank!! (Of course being a LE with only 500 made was huge too!) Man I often wish I kept that since the ride was so much different - I think more hardcore maybe. But the Tri was just so much more comfortable to someone with jacked up medical issues that made the Corse painful (Did I ever tell you who I sold it to, and how?) LMFAO!! Another time on that.

I guess I'm somewhat split on the whole matter - doubt anyone who copies the Tricolore paintwork etc doesn't lose any sleep over it as well. ��

Click to expand...

nobody cares seriously. i did it and ended up better my entire bike is carbon i still have all the stock parts and my cost was the same as if i bought the tri as a tri and my fairings are carbon. i got the color scheme wanted i can make some money back selling the stock parts but guess what ill still take a bath if i sell it if you think the tri is anything special over an 1199s you are kidding yourself.

panhandler said:

S1k hands down. I love the 1199 but the fact you already had 1 its time to try something new. The mismatched head lights will take some getting used to but the new 15 plus are not that bad. The only thing that i would have a hard time with is the sound of it compared to the duc. Ive only ever heard one with an Arrow exhaust and it sounded meh

Click to expand...

full akra evo TI exhaust sounds like an f1 car

double0 said:

I don't think that a single person who has done this to their bike cares one bit about trying to make their bike a tricolore n if it's the real thing or not. I personally think the color scheme is awesome and I can almost guarantee that is the only reason people do it, be it a wrap job, paint or even fairings.

Click to expand...

LOL i could care less because i dont own the TC anymore but theres no way you can say people replicated the TC purely for the colors. I can guarantee you people replicated it because its a more expensive bike and pretty f@#*ing exclusive. I dont know what the 1199 TC were number wise but the 1098 TC was around 450 in north america. Maybe im just talking out of my ... and im the only guy that feels this way but i felt pretty honored to own a real 1098 TC. When i sold it, the buyer drove over 6 hours to get it and im sure he couldve easily bought a 1098s for $3-5k less and slapped on a chinese fairing kit if he just wanted the look.

I also sold the TC 2 years ago for $13,500, an 07 1098S could be had for easily $10k so the bike def is worth more whether or not you want to believe it