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That's all true but there is still something about hot-rodding a bike, or any other other machine for that matter, that tickles some dudes' fancy. Like me. lol.

I had Ferracci build my SPS back in 2001. I'll more than likely have him do the 1299 "kit" if the price is right. Just because I like to mess with chit.

Do I need it?? Nope.

Can I use it?? Nope.

Is it cost effective when compared to buying a 1299? Nope.

Am I slightly nutz? Certifiable.

And yes, my tab for modifying bikes/cars in the last 25 years is way too much to think about. But I had a ton of fun!!
 
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I am all about tricking out what I own and I always have been. I own an 1199S and it's a great bike. If the price is right I would buy this kit too. All I was saying is that this kit will be quite expensive. As I heard from a Ducati source that your going to have to modify your cases, new liners, pistons, etc. If this kit is $4000-$5000, then I will not be buying it. If all of you want to buy one, please go ahead.


It seems all I hear lately (even on here), is how great the BMW, Aprilia, Kawasaki, and Yamaha superbikes are. Well, I wouldn't buy any of them. They are big, wide, and ugly, some butt ugly: S1000R, R1. Although, the Aprilia looks pretty good, small, and pretty light though.

I think the 1199 could have benefited from another year (just 1 more year, not years-plural) of development. As I said, I think the 1299 is the bike 1199 should have been to begin with.

IMHO
 
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I don't know if I'd make that claim without having ridden one. Its an improvement, but no where near the step from the 1198 to the 1199.

I'm more excited to see what the successor to the 1299 will be.

On the development comment, sometimes you just need to get a product to the market to see how it fits a wide spectrum of users. Keeping things in prolonged states of development only drive up costs which directly relates to higher retail costs. The market for $20k+ motorcycles isn't the biggest.
 
bp7178 said:
I don't know if I'd make that claim without having ridden one. Its an improvement, but no where near the step from the 1198 to the 1199.

I'm more excited to see what the successor to the 1299 will be.

On the development comment, sometimes you just need to get a product to the market to see how it fits a wide spectrum of users. Keeping things in prolonged states of development only drive up costs which directly relates to higher retail costs. The market for $20k+ motorcycles isn't the biggest.
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I stand by that statement. I said another 1 year, as in 1 year. I even added/edited it on last post.

Look how long it took Yamaha to bring the new R1 to market. They wanted to make that bike a world beater, like the 1998 R1 was. And from reading up on all the details about it, it sure seems like it will be truly great bike. I still think it's a bit on the ugly side though, but an improvement on the looks department too.
 
Ducati seems to be on a pattern now.....introduce a whole new model...two years later a small update....and then 2-3 years after a whole new model....in my opinion....i'd rather add a kit...instead of buying a bike updated that looks the same.....being that audi is in charge now...the next redesign is going to blow people away....im sure of that.....but either way.....ill make a purchase every new design....thats me though....however one chooses to spend their money more power to them :)
 
Ducky if it is 4-5 g whats the difference between that and adding an akra exhaust for the same pricd or top shelf ohlins for the same price? Its the same. Nothing they put out bar the sl will ever be what it should have been stock.
 
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Ducky if it is 4-5 g whats the difference between that and adding an akra exhaust for the same pricd or top shelf ohlins for the same price? Its the same. Nothing they put out bar the sl will ever be what it should have been stock.
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I agree completely, it's the same. So (but) if you already spent $4000-$5000 on an exhaust system and or top shelf Ohlins suspension, then are going to spend another $4000-$5000 on this kit too? If anyone wants to, then please go ahead.


At that point, I'll buy a 1299. I bet the 1299 will be incrementally better in most every way. So then, I'll put a big bore kit on my 1299 to make a 1399. Haha

Again I'm just saying and IMHO
 
According to the tech article on the 1299, it looks like the case bore won't need to be opened up. They have gone to a coated iron liner , as opposed to the coated aluminum liner of the 1199, same od 4mm bigger id, same valve sizes. They have kept the1199 1.8 rod to stroke ratio which for a motorcycle is very rototiller like, that was the rational for increasing the bore, no more room for stroke, without going to a shorter rod, and even less favorable rod to stroke ratio
 
According to the technical analysis, it is just a cylinder liner swap. They drop in a thinner steel liner versus the aluminum one in the 1199. Both are Nikasil plated. Apparently there isnt enough room to safely bore out the block. I'm obviously simplifying here, but remove the pistons and liners, drop in the new steel liners and piston/con rods and voila. The valves and clearances seem to be the same.

I'm just spitballing here, so don't slam me too hard. The only problem seems to be balancing the crankshaft and not having some of the extra strength built into the engine to handle the extra power. That being said, 1199's with pretty serious modifications producing an extra 10-20hp don't seem to have any integrity issues as of yet.
 
Cosmok and center. Yes exactly. But they have to able to get the parts and deal with the cranksaft balance which is why the need the 1299 bike, parts and schematics.
 
cosmok said:
According to the technical analysis, it is just a cylinder liner swap. They drop in a thinner steel liner versus the aluminum one in the 1199. Both are Nikasil plated. Apparently there isnt enough room to safely bore out the block. I'm obviously simplifying here, but remove the pistons and liners, drop in the new steel liners and piston/con rods and voila. The valves and clearances seem to be the same.

I'm just spitballing here, so don't slam me too hard. The only problem seems to be balancing the crankshaft and not having some of the extra strength built into the engine to handle the extra power. That being said, 1199's with pretty serious modifications producing an extra 10-20hp don't seem to have any integrity issues as of yet.
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if i've read the analysis correctly:
Rods are different (wider small end and shot peened and fractured) crank counter weight looks to be machined for clearance.
 
centeroff said:
According to the tech article on the 1299, it looks like the case bore won't need to be opened up. They have gone to a coated iron liner , as opposed to the coated aluminum liner of the 1199, same od 4mm bigger id, same valve sizes. They have kept the1199 1.8 rod to stroke ratio which for a motorcycle is very rototiller like, that was the rational for increasing the bore, no more room for stroke, without going to a shorter rod, and even less favorable rod to stroke ratio
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At the Panigale motor tear down clinic I went to this Saturday I asked the tech rep doing the clinic there about the differences.
He told me both the 1199 and 1299 use the same cases. So it's a cylinder liner swap, piston and (I assume) rod and crank swap.
Since those are all parts listed in the Ducati Catalog you could (theoretically) just build your own kit (though the costs of the special tools - especially the cylinder liner puller and separate installer) would set you back some *serious* cash.
 
Wonder how many special tools, stands and the associated costs will be?

Would be a great project!
 
Would be an amazing project. But, I'm sure the ancillary costs will be many times over what the kit is.

Of course...if all of the special tools could be rented...
 
Only two special tools needed: Motorcycle shipping crate and FBF's address. :)

Back in 2004 when I had them rebuild my SPS (from a previous owner hack job) they turned it from a rough running turd into a very well mannered and fast bike; at least for '04. Totally transformed it.

This is my winter 2015/16 project for the 11(2)99...
 

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