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just curious to see what the new guys or upgraders are going to go with. i would assume its a tough choice. what are the advantages of one over the other. im really curious of what the people that are in the real know would do.
 
Don't know if I qualify as being in the know, but I'd look at the 1299 harder than the 2015 R.
 
Xbox said:
Don't know if I qualify as being in the know, but I'd look at the 1299 harder than the 2015 R.
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Un-educated question here.... Does the 1299 S have ALL the same electronics as the R will have?

Other than the motor, what are the big differences. I know that info here is somewhere, but I didn't see it off hand.

I was leaning to a R for track days & I think the 1299 S has the semi active suspension, but other than that what is the big differences other than the motor?
 
BigBoost said:
Un-educated question here.... Does the 1299 S have ALL the same electronics as the R will have?

Other than the motor, what are the big differences. I know that info here is somewhere, but I didn't see it off hand.

I was leaning to a R for track days & I think the 1299 S has the semi active suspension, but other than that what is the big differences other than the motor?
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Other than the motor and the suspension??.... doesn't leave much does it??:D
 
I'm thinking along the lines of a road orientated monster 1299 engine, versus a track thoroughbread.
 
The biggest differences are the motor and the weight. 406 vs 414. and once you start taking the street stuff off, the R will be very light without having to buy anything. But, if you are like me and buy the motoholders subframe, MWR fairstay then its gets even lighter. also, don't forget the geometry changes you can make with the swingarm offset. If you are going to race, I think the R is better. I know of at least one fast guy in WERA that is going with the 1299. It can race in 5 different classes.
 
Mark I know...this is why I didn't merge it...it is a different discussion... but similar in a sense.... its all good though..:)
No trolling though please...:D
 
I couldn't justify the extra cash. I don't plan on racing it.

Key word "plan".

If I do decide to go racing, I'll use the philosophy the guy I wrenched for who ran SCCA/Vintage out on the west coast...

"Only race what you can afford to walk away from after it's wadded up"

And we wadded up a few cars....I fixed what I could,but a few went to the crusher.
 
Good question...

First, if your performance minded you are going to get the 1299S with Akrapovič exhaust and a lithium battery saving 5lbs plus boosting the performance of the 1299 engine. Already, the 1299 makes greater torque and if you can get another +500 rpm with the Akrapovič, your power band begins to resemble the Panigale R with peak hp possibly above the R. The 1299S could save further weight by starting out as a 1299 without the electronic suspension and ABS. Given these changes the Panigale R and 1299 are fairly close in performance and weight...HOWEVER, the Panigale R achieves its superior engine performance from tighter tolerances and lighter alloys therefore I suspect the R is a better made bike.

Knowing me, I would buy the R because I believe it is a better made bike however, the wiser choice for me would be the 1299S with the electronic suspension and ABS allowing me to go through the twisties a bit faster and a bit safer.

There are many new bikes pushing +200hp making my 1098R feel a bit under powered however I have yet to find someone able to keep up...

And yes, that is an challenge / invitation for all the aggressive Ducati riders in the Tri-state area to come ride the Catskill twisties this Spring/Summer with me :)

I can't wait for the snow to melt it might be only a week away...
 
Tricolore said:
Good question...

First, if your performance minded you are going to get the 1299S with Akrapovič exhaust and a lithium battery saving 5lbs plus boosting the performance of the 1299 engine. Already, the 1299 makes greater torque and if you can get another +500 rpm with the Akrapovič, your power band begins to resemble the Panigale R with peak hp possibly above the R. The 1299S could save further weight by starting out as a 1299 without the electronic suspension and ABS. Given these changes the Panigale R and 1299 are fairly close in performance and weight...HOWEVER, the Panigale R achieves its superior engine performance from tighter tolerances and lighter alloys therefore I suspect the R is a better made bike.

Knowing me, I would buy the R because I believe it is a better made bike however, the wiser choice for me would be the 1299S with the electronic suspension and ABS allowing me to go through the twisties a bit faster and a bit safer.

There are many new bikes pushing +200hp making my 1098R feel a bit under powered however I have yet to find someone able to keep up...

And yes, that is an challenge / invitation for all the aggressive Ducati riders in the Tri-state area to come ride the Catskill twisties this Spring/Summer with me :)

I can't wait for the snow to melt it might be only a week away...
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If you are going to ride like that why not just go to the track and ride in a safe and controlled manner rather than public roads were you put you and other at risk. Im sure there will be a few people who can teach you a thing or two about riding fast
 
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Tricolore said:
Good question...

First, if your performance minded you are going to get the 1299S with Akrapovič exhaust and a lithium battery saving 5lbs plus boosting the performance of the 1299 engine. Already, the 1299 makes greater torque and if you can get another +500 rpm with the Akrapovič, your power band begins to resemble the Panigale R with peak hp possibly above the R. The 1299S could save further weight by starting out as a 1299 without the electronic suspension and ABS. Given these changes the Panigale R and 1299 are fairly close in performance and weight...HOWEVER, the Panigale R achieves its superior engine performance from tighter tolerances and lighter alloys therefore I suspect the R is a better made bike.



Knowing me, I would buy the R because I believe it is a better made bike however, the wiser choice for me would be the 1299S with the electronic suspension and ABS allowing me to go through the twisties a bit faster and a bit safer.

There are many new bikes pushing +200hp making my 1098R feel a bit under powered however I have yet to find someone able to keep up...

And yes, that is an challenge / invitation for all the aggressive Ducati riders in the Tri-state area to come ride the Catskill twisties this Spring/Summer with me :)

I can't wait for the snow to melt it might be only a week away...
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I accept the challenge, but we have to do it on the track. Road atl, VIR barber, Jennings. You choose.
 
Ljuice26 said:
I accept the challenge, but we have to do it on the track. Road atl, VIR barber, Jennings. You choose.
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What? I don't get a home court advantage :)

reganc said:
If you are going to ride like that why not just go to the track and ride in a safe and controlled manner rather than public roads were you put you and other at risk. Im sure there will be a few people who can teach you a thing or two about riding fast
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Good question.

I live and co-manage a hedge fund out of my historic farm in the Hudson Valley on the edge of the Catskill mountains. At 55, I never have enough time so I go out for about an hour a day when I can, almost always alone, charging +100 mph in straights and as fast as I can through the turns but I never put anyone other than myself at risk. In truth, traffic rarely sees me and only hears me and I always stop for police.

I believe in controlling risk, hence my job and my "wise" choice for a 1299S with all the electronics. Nothing would make me happier to ride on a track with guys faster than me showing me how its done. Only if I had the time...

As for my bravado, please just think of it as a friendly invite to an "A" personality. I never push my friend's to ride faster than they want or should but I always go out fast because in that controlled speed I find focus and for those few moments I feel like a super hero and I don't care what the markets are doing...and let it be said the Catskills have some great twisties.

Ride safe :)
 
Tricolore said:
What? I don't get a home court advantage :)



Good question.

I live and co-manage a hedge fund out of my historic farm in the Hudson Valley on the edge of the Catskill mountains. At 55, I never have enough time so I go out for about an hour a day when I can, almost always alone, charging +100 mph in straights and as fast as I can through the turns but I never put anyone other than myself at risk. In truth, traffic rarely sees me and only hears me and I always stop for police.

I believe in controlling risk, hence my job and my "wise" choice for a 1299S with all the electronics. Nothing would make me happier to ride on a track with guys faster than me showing me how its done. Only if I had the time...

As for my bravado, please just think of it as a friendly invite to an "A" personality. I never push my friend's to ride faster than they want or should but I always go out fast because in that controlled speed I find focus and for those few moments I feel like a super hero and I don't care what the markets are doing...and let it be said the Catskills have some great twisties.

Ride safe :)
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It's all in good fun man. I just can't see myself pushing on the street like I do on the track. Too much can go wrong out there and a simple mistake has huge consequences....
 
I ride my bike every day to work, rain, shine, fog.... The 1299S seems the way to go for me, especially since I can install a full Akrapovic Ti system and drop 10.5 lbs, then fit a lithium battery and drop another 5 lbs. at around 405 lbs fully wet, the 1299 will have plenty of power, tons of torque and with the addition of the Akra, be up around 10 hp over stock if I get the tune right.

Throw a bit more money at it, with lighter wheels, some Ti bolts, a 520 kit and some more CFCS and you're right at 395 - 400 lbs, which is lighter than my Triumph Daytona 675R.

No doubt, I would prefer the 1199R, but I would feel terrible subjecting it to daily commutes and 15,000+ miles a year and only 7-10 trackdays a year.

Cheers.
 
Truth be told. I would probably buy the RSV4 factory before either, if I could fit on it. I already have an R that is 95% of what either is, or is going to be.

I've switched bikes long enough to know if you ain't fast on what your riding, or not going to be fast on what your buying either....

Buy track time and some decent coaching. I would say buy what moves you not what everyone says is better.
 
Thamer said:
Truth be told. I would probably buy the RSV4 factory before either, if I could fit on it. I already have an R that is 95% of what either is, or is going to be.

I've switched bikes long enough to know if you ain't fast on what your riding, or not going to be fast on what your buying either....

Buy track time and some decent coaching. I would say buy what moves you not what everyone says is better.
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I think you are just convincing yourself not to buy...hah!!! You know you want it...:D:D Just messing with you.

With what you said above, we should be riding 600 or less. :D
 

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