1st Service Costs!!!!!

Ray916MN said:

I've done two oil changes so far and here some data points to put the price of the first service in context.

The oil filter was $29 for the first one, and $39 for the second one. The dealer's explanation of the price increase was when I bought the first one, they had just received the filters and had not yet enter the part number into the parts system. The bike takes full on synthetic oil. 4 quarts of my preferred brand runs about $60. In parts alone it is about $100 just for the oil and filter.

I did the second oil change because my dealer couldn't give me a first service appointment until late next week. I'll be interested to see what the charge is for the frist service without the oil change. They've agreed to do it while I wait, so it can't take much time.

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Oil was really dirty at 630 miles and there was a bit of 'fur' stuck to the magnetic (aluminium?) sump plug. I didn't do it, but with hind sight an oil change at about 100-200 miles, as you did, might not be a bad idea. My oil filter was £15.88 before tax, $30 or $40 is a bit steep.

The tech showed me where the oil filter cover is, it's not difficult to get at or to change your own oil/filter, if you want to.

My first service was included in my purchase price, thank god.
£15,879 on the road for base +ABS
400 miles done, another 200 to do before Friday afternoon service, easy around North Wales mountain roads !!

Mitchlguzin said:

BINGO!!! Bottom line, don't be cheap with an expensive bike and consider your next service won't be until 15k miles... sheesh

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7500 not 15000. The 15000 service is a full Desmo sevice, but you still need an intermediate service at 7500, including an oil change and both the oil filters.

PaddockStand said:

You don't need the dealer to change the rev limiter (orange zone), it happens automatically when you hit 621miles/1000km. In fact, contrary to what I thought, it lifts to 10500 rpm, not 7000 rpm. You'd still need the dealer to reset the oil service warning though.

I paid £148 for my sevice, ex VAT. Roughly 50/50 parts and labour.

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Yep, the rev limit indication automatically changes once you pass the first service mileage threshold. Although the higher limit is shown on the dash, the owner's manual calls for keeping the revs below 7000 rpm till you get past 1553mi./2500km.

Only the one cartridge filter is changed the other mesh filter is just cleaned isn't it?

A pic from the parts manual showing the cartridge filter (I really prefer the spinon type but guess ducati had their reasons.)

PaddockStand said:

7500 not 15000. The 15000 service is a full Desmo sevice, but you still need an intermediate service at 7500, including an oil change and both the oil filters.

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zvez said:

Only the one cartridge filter is changed the other mesh filter is just cleaned isn't it?

A pic from the parts manual showing the cartridge filter (I really prefer the spinon type but guess ducati had their reasons.)

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Don't know if its clean or replace, but the sump has to come off to get at it and so it won't be cheap either way.

FrostyFire said:

How do you plan on changing the rev limiter, with your iPhone?

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Jobs knows Ducs.

I was quoted $245 today (based on what the book said). Going in next Thursday for 600 mile service...

To be honest I wouldn't say £150 odd for your service is bad at all! And personally I wouldn't want anyone other than Ducati dealer doing it, yes don't agree that Ducati can put their extra bit of cost on to everything, but hey that's the price you pay for Ducati.

I managed to get my first service thrown in with the purchase of the bike!

I would love to get the oil changed around 200 mile mark to be honest but I certainly am not doing it, I would only mess that up, and don't think my Dealer is up for anything out side the recommended from Ducati....

God that oil filter is pure communist ...........why the hell would they go and make some one off piece of crap that requires more work than just your average motorcycle oil filter? Hopefully it wont be long before filter manufacturers make replacements so I dont have to buy into Ducati branded filters that cost a premium for no reason other than name.

I will be getting my first service done by Ducati, but I wont be paying for full synthetic in an engine that isnt broken in, I've already told my dealer that they better fill it up with dino juice from day one or its a deal breaker...yeah I'm that superstitious about my oil and break in methods.

I'm still peeved about the filter though, I really hope its not as time consuming as it looks to replace...an oil change should take 15-20 minutes tops, any more than that and its just tedious. I got oil changes on my CBR1000RR down to a 10 minute job and even then I still hate doing it. Oh well, guess that's something I will have to learn to live with.

Gulf Coast said:

But then one could argue about expensive bikes shouldn't be having clutch, brake pad and starter motor issues. Expect the odd gremlin but this??

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FrostyFire said:

Uhm, anything Italian made has always had issues with just about anything.

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I've never understood this attitude. If some Italian automotive product costs more but is less reliable people tend to shrug their shoulders or come up with some excuse as to why that is. But why? If someone pays $10,000 for a Rolex, it tends to keep time better than a $50 watch. When someone buys a $2 million home they don't accept something that doesn't hold up as well as a mobile home. "The roof caved in on my mansion, but hey mansions are gonna have issues. Oh well."

GIrish said:

I've never understood this attitude. If some Italian automotive product costs more but is less reliable people tend to shrug their shoulders or come up with some excuse as to why that is. But why? If someone pays $10,000 for a Rolex, it tends to keep time better than a $50 watch. When someone buys a $2 million home they don't accept something that doesn't hold up as well as a mobile home. "The roof caved in on my mansion, but hey mansions are gonna have issues. Oh well."

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Although I agree in principle with your argument, your watch example isn't fully true. A $5 quartz watch will keep better time than a $10,000 rolex. Mechanical watches aren't about keeping perfect time.

Chris

GIrish said:

I've never understood this attitude. If some Italian automotive product costs more but is less reliable people tend to shrug their shoulders or come up with some excuse as to why that is. But why? If someone pays $10,000 for a Rolex, it tends to keep time better than a $50 watch. When someone buys a $2 million home they don't accept something that doesn't hold up as well as a mobile home. "The roof caved in on my mansion, but hey mansions are gonna have issues. Oh well."

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You gotta compare apples to apples. We're talking about motorcycles here. Things that cost more doesn't mean the quality is any better. A $2 mil mansion (or shack in the Vancouver market) could have been built poorly with cheap materials.

4 years ago I was quoted $225 + tax for the first service on my Gixxer 750.

turnone said:

Although I agree in principle with your argument, your watch example isn't fully true. A $5 quartz watch will keep better time than a $10,000 rolex. Mechanical watches aren't about keeping perfect time.

Chris

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Hahaha, good point!

You gotta compare apples to apples. We're talking about motorcycles here. Things that cost more doesn't mean the quality is any better. A $2 mil mansion (or shack in the Vancouver market) could have been built poorly with cheap materials.

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This is true and but my point is that if you're paying more money you should get more quality. If you don't, you're getting ripped off. Why pay more for shoddy workmanship unless you are someone who derives pleasure from setting money on fire?

4 years ago I was quoted $225 + tax for the first service on my Gixxer 750.

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Honestly as far as the first service goes, I don't think $300 is outlandish per se. Parts alone on a standard oil change with the good stuff (Repsol, Motul, etc) is gonna run about $85. The rest of the cost is labor I suppose, but I'd be curious as to what exactly is done.

The Gerd said:

God that oil filter is pure capitalist ...........why the hell would they go and make some one off piece of crap that requires more work than just your average motorcycle oil filter? Hopefully it wont be long before filter manufacturers make replacements so I dont have to buy into Ducati branded filters that cost a premium for no reason other than name.
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I'm still peeved about the filter though, I really hope its not as time consuming as it looks to replace...an oil change should take 15-20 minutes tops, any more than that and its just tedious. I got oil changes on my CBR1000RR down to a 10 minute job and even then I still hate doing it. Oh well, guess that's something I will have to learn to live with.

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Fixed your post for you.

Speaking from experience, the oil change is as easy as the change on an '08 CBR1000RR. The only fiddly thing is removing the cover for the oil filter. There is no grab point and it needs to be gently pried at two places on its lower edge to come free. Hamfisted prying will snap an ear off the cover according to a local dealer. I hope they weren't speaking from experience.

GIrish said:

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This is true and but my point is that if you're paying more money you should get more quality. If you don't, you're getting ripped off. Why pay more for shoddy workmanship unless you are someone who derives pleasure from setting money on fire?

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Exclusivity, hand made, and rarity all have extraordinary value to some in some goods. These qualities in general are at odds with reliability, consistency and low cost of service.

GIrish said:

Honestly as far as the first service goes, I don't think $300 is outlandish per se. Parts alone on a standard oil change with the good stuff (Repsol, Motul, etc) is gonna run about $85. The rest of the cost is labor I suppose, but I'd be curious as to what exactly is done.

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Owners manual spells it all out on pages 240-244. Probably an hour or hour and a half book rate job.

GIrish said:

This is true and but my point is that if you're paying more money you should get more quality. If you don't, you're getting ripped off. Why pay more for shoddy workmanship unless you are someone who derives pleasure from setting money on fire?

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Why does a Coke cost $3 in a restaurant when you could buy a 2L bottle at the grocery store for $1.50? It's the same product and doesn't taste any better at the restaurant.

GIrish said:

Hahaha, good point!


This is true and but my point is that if you're paying more money you should get more quality. If you don't, you're getting ripped off. Why pay more for shoddy workmanship unless you are someone who derives pleasure from setting money on fire?


Honestly as far as the first service goes, I don't think $300 is outlandish per se. Parts alone on a standard oil change with the good stuff (Repsol, Motul, etc) is gonna run about $85. The rest of the cost is labor I suppose, but I'd be curious as to what exactly is done.

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Girish, the bike is a first generation, gonna have very many issues, I'm not an engineer but I'm sure it's ridiculously hard to make sure a whole new platform is 100% error free while at the same time lowering the weight adding more power and not to mention creating a master piece that Leonardo himself would smile at!! Just put any jap bike next to the pani look at the details of the welds, curves...etc none can come close to Italian craftsmanship, sorry maybe you'll be happier with a can off tuna!!

FrostyFire said:

How do you plan on changing the rev limiter, with your iPhone?

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No, by reaching 622 miles (1,000kms) when it automatically increases

FrostyFire said:

Why does a Coke cost $3 in a restaurant when you could buy a 2L bottle at the grocery store for $1.50? It's the same product and doesn't taste any better at the restaurant.

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Well, in that case you're paying extra because of the location. Same reason for $10 beers at sports stadiums. Not really pertinent to the discussion at hand though. Ducatis don't cost more because we can't get other bikes at the same location.

Tricolor3SF said:

Girish, the bike is a first generation, gonna have very many issues, I'm not an engineer but I'm sure it's ridiculously hard to make sure a whole new platform is 100% error free while at the same time lowering the weight adding more power and not to mention creating a master piece that Leonardo himself would smile at!!

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The Japanese do it all the time. More power, less weight, more technology, and no issues. I bought my 08 1000RR right when it came out and it didn't give me one issue in 4 years and about 15000 miles of riding. Granted, it doesn't look as good as the Panigale, but point is that just because it is a new model doesn't mean it's going to have issues. It certainly is more likely, just look at the 5 S1000RR's that blew up at its press launch. But I don't believe it is a foregone conclusion. Hopefully there won't be any show-stopper problems with the 1st year of Panigales. I'm certainly willing to deal with a minor quibble here and there, I just don't want to get stranded anywhere.

Just put any jap bike next to the pani look at the details of the welds, curves...etc none can come close to Italian craftsmanship, sorry maybe you'll be happier with a can off tuna!!

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I disagree. Look at the number of external bolts on the fairings of the Panigale and compare that to the number of bolts sticking out on a 1000RR. It's 8 for the Panigale and 3 for the CBR. The CBR also doesn't have an unsightly steering damper sticking out over the triple tree, it's neatly integrated under the tank. The mirrors are also one nice sculpted piece as opposed to the somewhat ungainly two piecers on the 1199 (although the 1199 has LED's).

Of course the Panigale is a curvier, more beautiful bike with lots of interesting new tech but as far as craftsmanship I wouldn't say the Ducati is better. It has sexier craftsmanship maybe. There are more interesting curves, bezels, and cuts to the parts on the 1199 than you'll find on the Japanese supersports.