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zvez said:
hiding the steering damper takes away the reason for upgrading your steering damper tho! ;)
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Man having the steering damper exposed on ruins my game. Girls be like, "Oh it isn't Ohlins...let's just be friends..."
 
GIrish said:
The Japanese do it all the time. More power, less weight, more technology, and no issues. I bought my 08 1000RR right when it came out and it didn't give me one issue in 4 years and about 15000 miles of riding. Granted, it doesn't look as good as the Panigale, but point is that just because it is a new model doesn't mean it's going to have issues. It certainly is more likely, just look at the 5 S1000RR's that blew up at its press launch. But I don't believe it is a foregone conclusion. Hopefully there won't be any show-stopper problems with the 1st year of Panigales. I'm certainly willing to deal with a minor quibble here and there, I just don't want to get stranded anywhere.
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No issues? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lololololol you really do have your head up your ass. Do you really want me to start listing all the major issues and recalls for the major Jap brands over the last 5 years?

I had rectifier and stator problems with all my Gixxers, it's a pretty well known problem including the infamous herk-jerk issue. Suzuki still hasn't admitted that one.

Did you conveniently forget about all the 08 CBR1000 oil burning issues?
 
FrostyFire said:
No issues? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lololololol you really do have your head up your ass. Do you really want me to start listing all the major issues and recalls for the major Jap brands over the last 5 years?

I had rectifier and stator problems with all my Gixxers, it's a pretty well known problem including the infamous herk-jerk issue. Suzuki still hasn't admitted that one.

Did you conveniently forget about all the 08 CBR1000 oil burning issues?
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To Frosty's point

Honda Recalls - List of Honda motorcycle recalls.
http://www.motorcyclerecall.com/Motorcycle_Manufacturer/Yamaha/4217
http://www.motorcyclerecall.com/Motorcycle_Manufacturer/Suzuki/4223

And many more
 
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$29 or $39 is an absurd price for a cartridge type filter, the spinons from ducati are only $15, but hi-flow will make an element filter in the next few months probably for about $15.

Chris

Ray916MN said:
I've done two oil changes so far and here some data points to put the price of the first service in context.

The oil filter was $29 for the first one, and $39 for the second one. The dealer's explanation of the price increase was when I bought the first one, they had just received the filters and had not yet enter the part number into the parts system. The bike takes full on synthetic oil. 4 quarts of my preferred brand runs about $60. In parts alone it is about $100 just for the oil and filter.

I did the second oil change because my dealer couldn't give me a first service appointment until late next week. I'll be interested to see what the charge is for the frist service without the oil change. They've agreed to do it while I wait, so it can't take much time.
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zvez said:
$29 or $39 is an absurd price for a cartridge type filter, the spinons from ducati are only $15, but hi-flow will make an element filter in the next few months probably for about $15.

Chris
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Just fired off on email to KN and WIX filters to find out when they will have an aftermarket oil filter available. Used both products on my Ducs and highly recommend them. Update to follow...
 
My first service cost me 172$ out the door. I got mine done at bloodworth motorsports of Nashville. I'm not to surprised by the price, sounded reasonable to me for a bike of such high quality.
 
FrostyFire said:
No issues? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lololololol you really do have your head up your ass. Do you really want me to start listing all the major issues and recalls for the major Jap brands over the last 5 years?
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Note I didn't see they never have any major issues, just that they've certainly done plenty of launches without major issues. Typically Honda and Yamaha do better in that respect than Kawasaki and Suzuki.

The statement that I responding to is that a first year model is gonna have many issues. That's just not true. No manufacturer is gonna be perfect, everyone has recalls from time to time. But I would think it unacceptable for there to be many recalls in the first year for any bike. And it wouldn't be acceptable if you had to take the bike in more than once or twice for actual recalls. TSB's are a little different in my opinion because they're usually for non-critical issues.

I had rectifier and stator problems with all my Gixxers, it's a pretty well known problem including the infamous herk-jerk issue. Suzuki still hasn't admitted that one.
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Yeah and there was frame cracking problem too.

Did you conveniently forget about all the 08 CBR1000 oil burning issues?
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Not at all, I didn't burn any oil the whole time I owned the bike. I suspect that problem was due to improperly breaking in the bike, but who knows. But you're right, that was a big issue, not typical for the Hondas I've owned.

If I have to take my 1199 back in a minor recall or two, I'm not going to be pissing and moaning. But when you start talking several issues that require returns to the dealership, that is where there's a problem.
 
ducatiguy136 said:
My first service cost me 172$ out the door. I got mine done at bloodworth motorsports of Nashville. I'm not to surprised by the price, sounded reasonable to me for a bike of such high quality.
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That's extremely cheap.....I haven't asked yet I am going to guess my dealer will be charging $250-300 plus tax. But then again we pay more for everything in Canada anyway. I may just go get it done at Bellevue over the border....does anyone have any idea what their cost is?
 
tstephenson said:
To Frosty's point

Honda Recalls - List of Honda motorcycle recalls.
Yamaha Recalls - List of Yamaha motorcycle recalls.
Suzuki Recalls - List of Suzuki motorcycle recalls.

And many more
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That's an awfully useful link, thanks for posting it.

But to my point, look at the all-new 2007 600RR. Zero recalls. The last minor model change before that in 2005, zero recalls. In 2003 when the bike was all new there was a recall for potential corrosion on the brake pedal lever. THe most major issue in 9 years.

Now in 2004 when the 1000RR was all new, there was one issue with the speedo reading too low on some of the bikes. In the minor model change in 2006, nothing. 2007 there was a bad weld in the fuel tank. 2008, all new model and there was a coolant hose clamp recall. The only serious issue in the 8 years since they started making the 1000RR is probably the oil burning issue. Even then, I have no idea how many bikes that affected.

Can't speak to the non-supersports because I don't follow pay as much attention to those.

Even looking at Yamaha, the R1 hasn't had any recalls since 2005. 2007 was a model change year and 2009 was a full redesign with a totally different type of engine. The R6 had quite a few issues in 2006, but in the next two minor model changes, nothing.

So no, nobody is perfect. But as I said, the Japanese manufacturers have certainly done full model changes with zero issues. The ones where there were issues between Honda and Yamaha only twice in the last 9 years or so was there more than one problem cropping up (2008 1000R, and 2006 R6).

Not saying Ducati has to be perfect, they're a smaller manufacturer with much less resources. But they've raised the bar on quality in the last few years and I think they can raise it even further. Either way I don't think that multiple issues on a first year bike is a given.
 
GIrish said:
Now in 2004 when the 1000RR was all new, there was one issue with the speedo reading too low on some of the bikes. In the minor model change in 2006, nothing. 2007 there was a bad weld in the fuel tank. 2008, all new model and there was a coolant hose clamp recall. The only serious issue in the 8 years since they started making the 1000RR is probably the oil burning issue. Even then, I have no idea how many bikes that affected.
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I have no idea how many people that affected either, however, there have been a extraordinarily huge number of posts on the various UK bike forums re the 2008 oil issue. My 2009 also sufffers badly from it (1 litre oil every 600 miles) and smokes every time at start up (14,000 miles to date)

In 2006 I had three friends also with CBR100RRs and whilst my 2006 was fine, they went through five between them within one year from new. This was never a recall but the fairings were appallingly inconsitant in quality and shattered at the slightest touch. None of them ride Honda any longer.



Re the costs thing, in 2011 Ducati sold 44,000 bikes world-wide. The Japan top four: Honda - 122,000, Suzuki - 116,000, Yamaha - 158,000 & Kawasaki - 109,000. Plus each of them have other industry sectors they sell into (marine, farm etc). I believe Ducati only has their bike range and merchandise. It is no wonder Ducati are more expensive. Further the cost of development of this bike was more than Ducati had ever spent, they have to charge the prices they do to recoup their costs.

In some respects the Panigale is a bargain!
 
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My 600 mile service cost $202.50.
I also had the dealer install my termi slip-ons and the labor (2.5 hours) cost $212.50.
 

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