2013 1199R track bike project

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from what i heard :
the only way to get in line is to measure right when you get in from the track. SO : in the pit, warmers on, immediate measuring and setting of pressure... then, next ession,

get out on track, don't pussyfoot as you would with a cold SSPT tire but don't set your best time either for 1 lap, then hit it..


Good to hear someone puts some cred to RRX statements. for myself, the first thing to do now on setup is create an environment that will avoid confusion on this subject.
As stated earlier, there may be good different setups but the only thing not to do is to mix and mingle aspects of those setups.

So the second thing to do is to decide who i'll work with. I'll be testing such a working relation in Barcelona and Valencia to see how it works. And we'll start from there.
I'm glad i'll have a very good base coming out of Moto Rapido Racing in Winchester to start from... much better than i had all year last year... :)
 
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I usually set mine cold under about 3 or 4 psi under where I want it to be . Put the warmers on do a warm up session get the rims hot as well and check it .
Adjust the pressures from there and leave it .
 
+1 for wilkson, this is the simplest and actually most effective way to do it. Chasing pressures throughout the day as ambient temps change seems logical but NOT the way to do it.
 
+1 for wilkson, this is the simplest and actually most effective way to do it. Chasing pressures throughout the day as ambient temps change seems logical but NOT the way to do it.

If you have chassis setup right, setting from cold is best way to check unless temp diff. from morn to mid day is +15f. If that tis the case then you will simply have to bleed out. If temp diff is >15f then any build over 3-5 psi is likely due to setup/style.

IMHO, most peeps have wrong spring and thus use rebound/compression/preload to compensate. This can get you close, but not perfect and if chassis is not correct, tire PSI doesn't matter because the 2 sec you make up with right PSI are given right back by non optimal chassis.

my $.02
 
so the bike is back.... picked it up firstly at Pro Shift in Derby and got the initiation on the footless up and down blipper system. :)

then drove to Winchester to go see and thank Steve Moore at Moto rapido for the fab job he has done. the bike looks stunning and i just cant' wait to ride it.
felt like a kid on xmas day ... :)
I'll post shortly as to why i decided to put the PS3.5 on...

here are some pics and a short vid i did during the initiation..

1199R RAYMOND ROCHE - PRO SHIFT PS3 test - YouTube
 

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Pro Shift mounted the footless gear-shift blopper system. Yes : the gear lever is gone ! and shifting is now done by thumb and finger.. definetly not oldschool and rest assured I got many frown and ‘what the hell did you do now? – looks 
But as all other moves, this decision wasn’t made overnight and quit some thought went into it.
First of all : what can I lose? Ok perhaps you can add some stuff you’ll never get rid of in the box with the other stuff you’ll never get rid off..
But was there a problem to solve : surely yes. Having decided to do the 6h of SPA next year I m facing a steep learning curve. When a 2:38 will give you 8th place in qualifying, going from 2:52 to 2:45 will be the absolute minimum.
Now at 55 at not having the automode that decades of riding brings, I’ll have to focus on what is needed. In my case : bodypositioning, braking many yards later and getting on the gas many yards sooner.. once I’ll master this, then I’ll have to get used to the higher accelerations and speeds getting to braking points further away.. with the best regularity possible..
and above all else : all while keeping it safe.
So for me the only way to achieve this is to de-clutter my mind. Get rid af all the things that will distract me from optimally moving around on the bike to give me a good riding position and keep my concentration up.
Now the truth is I’m a lousy shifter. Is it because I’m to tall, not nimble enough, I don’t know. But I do know that I shoft between gears at least twice per session. And that getting my foot in the right place to shift takes a lot of time and effort as I seem to be so clumsy about it. This has as a consequence that I hardly ever can fully finish my movement on the bike as there is no time left. And this gets harder as the session moves on and fatigue sets in.
So: the system doesn’t have to be very good to improve on the shifting I’m capable off.
And when I heard that Chaz Davies sort of stated it took time for hil to get used to the clutch downshifting on the Pani as he had had the down blipper before, I pulled the trigger.
Electronically, the system is plugged into the ecu to blip to a programmable % of revs and then cuts the ignition and feeds it back in after a millisecond programmable time. It even has dry and wet modes. It is used extensively in rally and formula cars so it has run it s course of testing and reliability.
We then drove the bike back to Moto Rapido in Winchester for a final check-up and calibration of the AIM pods and the official handover.
It was good to see the enthusiasm the bike was received and the smiles of the people who had worked so hard to make this bike as good as it is now. It could feel it was a pet project and much more then another ‘rich guys latest gizmo throw on the bling race bits’ - build. An awfull lot of extra time went into it. The 3D mapping took over 10h starting from the level that is already so high to begin with. That is mapping 10 hours of fine tuning an already hyper-devellloped map of a trsted combo.. that my friends is dedication way beyond the call of duty.
The forks got done in the mean-time bringing back the 10k springs at the front on a 220mm airchamber and 4mm of preload. At the rear a 100 spring measured at 101,2 was put up and the bike was dropped 3mm.
Gone should be the pogo feeling of the bike as it was.. so I now expect to be much more steady under braking , to run much tighter and get on the gas sooner. Gass that will pull harder coming out of the turns and without the wellknown bang as of 7,5K…
Back to Belgium, the very last things were finished : changing the titanium caliper bolts to drilled ones , fitting the radiator fairing to force the air through the radiator and remaking the bellypan to open it up to let the hot air out that otherwise stays behind the lower part.
Luc took it for a quick spin to check it up and called me right afterwards. From his excitement i know that the bike just delivered all it promised. Pulling smoothly like a 1198R as off 5,5K all the way up to 11K just for the blipper to do a lightinggly quick gear change and float the front through 4 gears.. and then remain stable and precise under braking and downshifting.
Luc has a same spec Pani with the SSTK PRO pipe and he noticed a huge difference. And being a sceptic just 5 minutes before, he was gleamingly enthusiastic ..
So now, it’s all up to me. I’m literally counting the days to roll her out at Barcelona second week of March.. Just 3 weeks from now. To feel her pull and pull and upshift smoothly under lean .. 
And then test the braking and flickability at Valencia. Having all the data , I should have learned a lot after that week…
You’ll read all about it when i get there..stay tuned !
 
Pro Shift mounted the footless gear-shift blopper system. Yes : the gear lever is gone ! and shifting is now done by thumb and finger.. definetly not oldschool and rest assured I got many frown and "˜what the hell did you do now? - looks 
But as all other moves, this decision wasn't made overnight and quit some thought went into it.
First of all : what can I lose? Ok perhaps you can add some stuff you'll never get rid of in the box with the other stuff you'll never get rid off..
But was there a problem to solve : surely yes. Having decided to do the 6h of SPA next year I m facing a steep learning curve. When a 2:38 will give you 8th place in qualifying, going from 2:52 to 2:45 will be the absolute minimum.
Now at 55 at not having the automode that decades of riding brings, I will have to focus on what is needed. In my case : bodypositioning, braking many yards later and getting on the gas many yards sooner.. once I will master this, then I will have to get used to the higher accelerations and speeds getting to braking points further away.. with the best regularity possible..
and above all else : all while keeping it safe.
So for me the only way to achieve this is to de-clutter my mind. Get rid af all the things that will distract me from optimally moving around on the bike to give me a good riding position and keep my concentration up.
Now the truth is I'm a lousy shifter. Is it because I'm to tall, not nimble enough, I don't know. But I do know that I shoft between gears at least twice per session. And that getting my foot in the right place to shift takes a lot of time and effort as I seem to be so clumsy about it. This has as a consequence that I hardly ever can fully finish my movement on the bike as there is no time left. And this gets harder as the session moves on and fatigue sets in.
So: the system doesn't have to be very good to improve on the shifting I'm capable off.
And when I heard that Chaz Davies sort of stated it took time for hil to get used to the clutch downshifting on the Pani as he had had the down blipper before, I pulled the trigger.
Electronically, the system is plugged into the ecu to blip to a programmable % of revs and then cuts the ignition and feeds it back in after a millisecond programmable time. It even has dry and wet modes. It is used extensively in rally and formula cars so it has run it s course of testing and reliability.
We then drove the bike back to Moto Rapido in Winchester for a final check-up and calibration of the AIM pods and the official handover.
It was good to see the enthusiasm the bike was received and the smiles of the people who had worked so hard to make this bike as good as it is now. It could feel it was a pet project and much more then another "˜rich guys latest gizmo throw on the bling race bits' - build. An awfull lot of extra time went into it. The 3D mapping took over 10h starting from the level that is already so high to begin with. That is mapping 10 hours of fine tuning an already hyper-devellloped map of a trsted combo.. that my friends is dedication way beyond the call of duty.
The forks got done in the mean-time bringing back the 10k springs at the front on a 220mm airchamber and 4mm of preload. At the rear a 100 spring measured at 101,2 was put up and the bike was dropped 3mm.
Gone should be the pogo feeling of the bike as it was.. so I now expect to be much more steady under braking , to run much tighter and get on the gas sooner. Gass that will pull harder coming out of the turns and without the wellknown bang as of 7,5K"¦
Back to Belgium, the very last things were finished : changing the titanium caliper bolts to drilled ones , fitting the radiator fairing to force the air through the radiator and remaking the bellypan to open it up to let the hot air out that otherwise stays behind the lower part.
Luc took it for a quick spin to check it up and called me right afterwards. From his excitement i know that the bike just delivered all it promised. Pulling smoothly like a 1198R as off 5,5K all the way up to 11K just for the blipper to do a lightinggly quick gear change and float the front through 4 gears.. and then remain stable and precise under braking and downshifting.
Luc has a same spec Pani with the SSTK PRO pipe and he noticed a huge difference. And being a sceptic just 5 minutes before, he was gleamingly enthusiastic ..
So now, it's all up to me. I'm literally counting the days to roll her out at Barcelona second week of March.. Just 3 weeks from now. To feel her pull and pull and upshift smoothly under lean .. 
And then test the braking and flickability at Valencia. Having all the data , I should have learned a lot after that week"¦
You'll read all about it when i get there..stay tuned !

Thanks for the informative update Kope. Sounds as if you deserve to crack your own personal targets after putting so much time and effort into your machine. Good luck at Spa and Valencia.
 
Pro Shift mounted the footless gear-shift blopper system. Yes : the gear lever is gone ! and shifting is now done by thumb and finger.. definetly not oldschool and rest assured I got many frown and "˜what the hell did you do now? - looks 
But as all other moves, this decision wasn't made overnight and quit some thought went into it.
First of all : what can I lose? Ok perhaps you can add some stuff you'll never get rid of in the box with the other stuff you'll never get rid off..
But was there a problem to solve : surely yes. Having decided to do the 6h of SPA next year I m facing a steep learning curve. When a 2:38 will give you 8th place in qualifying, going from 2:52 to 2:45 will be the absolute minimum.
Now at 55 at not having the automode that decades of riding brings, I will have to focus on what is needed. In my case : bodypositioning, braking many yards later and getting on the gas many yards sooner.. once I will master this, then I will have to get used to the higher accelerations and speeds getting to braking points further away.. with the best regularity possible..
and above all else : all while keeping it safe.
So for me the only way to achieve this is to de-clutter my mind. Get rid af all the things that will distract me from optimally moving around on the bike to give me a good riding position and keep my concentration up.
Now the truth is I'm a lousy shifter. Is it because I'm to tall, not nimble enough, I don't know. But I do know that I shoft between gears at least twice per session. And that getting my foot in the right place to shift takes a lot of time and effort as I seem to be so clumsy about it. This has as a consequence that I hardly ever can fully finish my movement on the bike as there is no time left. And this gets harder as the session moves on and fatigue sets in.
So: the system doesn't have to be very good to improve on the shifting I'm capable off.
And when I heard that Chaz Davies sort of stated it took time for hil to get used to the clutch downshifting on the Pani as he had had the down blipper before, I pulled the trigger.
Electronically, the system is plugged into the ecu to blip to a programmable % of revs and then cuts the ignition and feeds it back in after a millisecond programmable time. It even has dry and wet modes. It is used extensively in rally and formula cars so it has run it s course of testing and reliability.
We then drove the bike back to Moto Rapido in Winchester for a final check-up and calibration of the AIM pods and the official handover.
It was good to see the enthusiasm the bike was received and the smiles of the people who had worked so hard to make this bike as good as it is now. It could feel it was a pet project and much more then another "˜rich guys latest gizmo throw on the bling race bits' - build. An awfull lot of extra time went into it. The 3D mapping took over 10h starting from the level that is already so high to begin with. That is mapping 10 hours of fine tuning an already hyper-devellloped map of a trsted combo.. that my friends is dedication way beyond the call of duty.
The forks got done in the mean-time bringing back the 10k springs at the front on a 220mm airchamber and 4mm of preload. At the rear a 100 spring measured at 101,2 was put up and the bike was dropped 3mm.
Gone should be the pogo feeling of the bike as it was.. so I now expect to be much more steady under braking , to run much tighter and get on the gas sooner. Gass that will pull harder coming out of the turns and without the wellknown bang as of 7,5K"¦
Back to Belgium, the very last things were finished : changing the titanium caliper bolts to drilled ones , fitting the radiator fairing to force the air through the radiator and remaking the bellypan to open it up to let the hot air out that otherwise stays behind the lower part.
Luc took it for a quick spin to check it up and called me right afterwards. From his excitement i know that the bike just delivered all it promised. Pulling smoothly like a 1198R as off 5,5K all the way up to 11K just for the blipper to do a lightinggly quick gear change and float the front through 4 gears.. and then remain stable and precise under braking and downshifting.
Luc has a same spec Pani with the SSTK PRO pipe and he noticed a huge difference. And being a sceptic just 5 minutes before, he was gleamingly enthusiastic ..
So now, it's all up to me. I'm literally counting the days to roll her out at Barcelona second week of March.. Just 3 weeks from now. To feel her pull and pull and upshift smoothly under lean .. 
And then test the braking and flickability at Valencia. Having all the data , I should have learned a lot after that week"¦
You'll read all about it when i get there..stay tuned !

Good luck mate. thanks for the interesting read.
 
First, this shift system is cheating... :D

Next, do you have a link to this 6h race ?

Finally, looking awesome :p
 
Glad to see you bought the ProShift, I've been very pleased with the downshifter on my HP4 track bike.
 
now that is very good to hear! :)
as it was a bit of a not so cheap jump into the void...
so i'd be very much interested to hear about your experiences with it...
and i think i'm not alone..
 
now that is very good to hear! :)

as it was a bit of a not so cheap jump into the void...

so i'd be very much interested to hear about your experiences with it...

and i think i'm not alone..


I'm back at the track tomorrow so I will have some more feedback then.

The system you installed if I understood correctly was the full automatic system which was over 2500GBP, whereas the auto-blipper is 800GBP.

I couldn't justify it but I would expect it to be a significant improvement on both up and down shift, as the downshift is even smoother and more seamless than the upshift, keeping totally stable.
 

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