2015 Bmw S1000rr or 2015 Yamaha R1M??

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Japanese liter bike prices are getting up there with the base exotics. I understand the tech behind the rising prices but damn, even the 600's are getting pricy. No way I'd buy any japanese liter bike over an rsv4 at similar price points.
 
The R1m may be more technically advanced than the BMW but the Yamaha is the ugliest sportbike currently built. I wouldn't invest my money with either if those were my only choices. I'd wait for the models to be released.
 
I spent 2 days riding the 2015 BMW S1000RR around laguna seca last month and it is an incredible bike, boring looks yes and I never wanted one after riding the ,13 and 14 versions at barber and miller but now I want the 15 and will be getting it.
Pure performance and ease of use is the BMW 's forte. If you need that get it, if you need something that gets you excited visually than buy whatever you like.
 
assuming I could keep my other Ducatis and I HAD to choose only between the two, I'd go R1M.

I actually really like the styling, and as a close friend has one, I've experienced it in great detail.

It is truly a limited edition bike, with very, very lightweight carbon fiber fairings. Carbon everything, stock. The built-in telemetry (what comes on the R and the rest of us have to pay $600 for) is total MotoGP.

It's what the original crossplane ought to have been.

But for some reason, I've never felt ergonomically comfortable on ANY R1. Sounds AWESOME - the two best sounding bikes in MotoGP, if you've ever heard them in person, are the Yamahas and the Ducatis, and the R1M at WOT sounds like a dead ringer for Rossi's bike, if you've got the right exhaust on it.

The technology is pretty much what the 1299S has. Doesn't have an auto-downshift blipper though. Yamahas in general are just very uncomfortable to me, and because I feel awkward, they feel heavy in terms of steering (to me).
 
i saw 100000 bmw yesterday but havent seen R1m so far...

if you like to be "honda civic" get bmw....
 
very hard to buy a bad bike nowdays so get which ever one gives you a hard on.

I would tend to sway more towards the R1 just because i have experience with it and it's a great package straight out of the box plus replacement parts and upgrades are cheap.
 
R1M all the way.......

More exclusive, should hold it's value better & it's a better bike:

Almost as much power
All Carbon Fiber body work
Better electronics
Better handling

It's a no-brainer.... :p
 
BMW. It's a more well rounded bike. I already have a Poonagale. I don't need another edgy hardcore trackday bike.

BMW
+comfy
+easy street ride
+decent tech support in my area
+BWM keyfob
+BMW t-shirt
+BMW hat
+insane power
+I4, but doesn't seem as fat as other I4 bikes.
-ugly
-boring

R1M
+fast
+new
+decent electronics, even if they are an unabashed Ducati copy.
-sucks on the street
-ugly, put a normal nose on it and lose the Admiral Akbar look, and it'll be GTG.
-piss poor tech support. Worst dealers and technicians of all brands, in my area. So reliability is likely, worse than an Italian bike.
 
I have three answers.

1. If you are going to race it to win, and you are an expert level rider, the S1000rr

2. If you are going to race it to win but your skills are modest or less, the R1

3. If you just want a fun bike and and don't care about which bike would collect the most Trophies, just start flipping a coin until it comes up with the answer that makes you smile the most.
 
try and find an hp4. the looks in person are amazing. plenty of wet dripping carbon. best engine in the world and you have your exclusivity. i have yet to see one except for mine. white and blue is a great combo. R1m are already out there being sold. i do like it so if its 15s i would go r1m however hp4 ftw if you can find one.

please dont tell me the 15 are faster none of us on here (maybe leon maybe phil brett baker) can extract the total perfomance if you cant makes no difference if you have 9 more hp.
 
just curious how you guys say bmw is boring. is it because saying they are an amazing machine hurts your ducati pride? is it because the first bmw s1000rr is a better bike than the new 1299 after all the advances and all these years? or is it that you spent all this money on the ducati you wanted the best and its not but you cant admit it, so you cant say anything else is good? its the most insane engine in any bike. above 9000 the bike takes off. 12500 its not dead it just yawned. 15k come on now dare i say 16k?

the bike is so precise you say it the bike does it. no mistakes the bike is faster and smarter than you are. sounds like an f1 car.

i said it once ill say it again

2 keys on the table take one panigale or hp4 i take the panigale cause its free

however if you have to pay for it and you can only have one bmw every day not even a question.

im lucky enough to flip a coin to decide.
 
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Rode with some buddies this weekend. Had a 2015 S1000RR with stock exhaust and R1 that had been decatted with a shorty Akra. I was on my 2014R. Just for fun we did a couple of 40 roll ons and the Duc pulled both of them bad to 160 with the Yamaha coming in last. Guy on the S1000RR is about 25lbs heavier than me and the guy on the R1 is about 15lbs heavier than me. I've raced another buddy of mine who is 40lbs less than me on a 2012 S1000RR with a PCV5 and Austin racing exhaust and he passed me at 130 but I was gaining ground as we approached 160.

Be interesting to race a 1299 on my R. I'm sure I'll have the chance!

Sat on the Yamaha and the seat is uncomfortably wide. Small thing I suppose but everyone said the same thing. It does sound great though! The S1000RR is very comfortable seating position but as other's have said she's a hefty girl.

Looks wise I'd go with the S1000RR over the R1. I had a 2012 S1000RR Motorsport color scheme.

Since there's only 250 R1M's it's almost a silly bike to compare.

All amazing bikes!

Tom
 
I did the same few roll ons with my buddies 11 s1k. With full akra, pcv and -1 in the front. 3 races, he got me than I got him and than we were even until the top where I was waking away very slightly. Because I think he had the short gearing I think. The bimmer is an incredible machine, every time I ride his I'm like this thing is a ....... rocket ship. But than I get on the duc and it deceptive on how fast it is. I love how easy it is to go fast on the bmw, but I like it more to try and extract that extra bit to make the 1299 ride fast. That's what does it for me.

But I also like the fact that I can switch bikes with my friend.
 
I love the "hit" of the S1000RR powerband, but the R1M is the superior track machine
 
BMW motorcycles Manhattan has a new HP4 Steve. I'd get it if I could.
 
Having owned both a BMW S1000RR and the 1299s, I can tell you my real World experiences.

The BMW S1000RR is hands down, the best all around Motorcycle for sale right now. It's stinking fast right out of the box, it's comfortable, it's a great commute bike ( I put over 54,000 miles on mine, so you're not going to find a lot of people with as much seat time on one as me).. Overall, a fabulous bike. Mine had a full Ti Akra race system, a custom tune and a BMC race filter and made 186 RWHP on a stingy dyno.. An absolute animal above 11,000 rpm. I regeared it, because it was all off for my local tracks.

BUT. it's heavy and feels it. The suspension, while not crap, is certainly not top notch. At the track, I am running about 7 seconds a lap off lap record pace and that's about all the BMW has in it in my hands.. It gets REALLY sketchy once you push it hard (I had the NON DDS suspension on mine). The brakes are really, really good. It steers quite slowly and the turn in is lazy.

The downsides? The engine needs to have its nuts revved off to get the best out of it. Great for straight line racing and freeway roll-ins, if that's your thing, but not so good for track use. It has to be regeared. For instance, at all 4 of my local tracks, it has major issues in various corners being out of the powerband, or being way too high up the rev range in a lower gear. Regearing helps, but then it ends up being a pain in the ass changing sprockets for each track and then back for street use.

The 1299, is an entirely different animal. On paper, they seem closely matched, but they are NOTHNG like each other.

The 1299 is around 30 lbs lighter, but it feels more like 50. The suspension on the 1299 is far superior (as it should be, since we paid $8,00 more for the 1299 than for an S1000RR). The 1299 steers and turns in like a 600 class bike (I also own a Triumph Daytona 675R, which was my previous handling benchmark for Motorcycles), once you get the 1299 set up properly, it's phenomenal; it rides better than the BMW, it handles better and it is far more confidence inspiring. The 1299 also transitions far faster and with less effort.. Flicking the bike from side to side is near telepathic and far less of a wrestling match than on the S1000RR.

With the few simple mods I have made to my 1299, I can tell you that it's faster in every regard than my S1000RR was; the only caveat I have, is that I still haven't pushed my 1299 above 170 mph, but up to that speed, my 1299 as it stands, is quicker than my S1000RR ever was.

The 1299 has better electronics, the BMW had crude traction control, utterly crap wheelie control and the electronics basically fought you if you rode past a certain level. At the track, I turned off all the electronics, including the TC, because the bike kept trying to save me when I didn't need saved.

The brakes on the 1299 are by far the best I have ever experienced on a Motorcycle.

Both are amazing motorcycles, but one is a fabulous all rounder and one is a focused, difficult but challenging beast.

I was going to buy a 2015 S1000RR, but decided what I wanted was a bit more personality, a bit more passion and a bit more focus and the 1299 has delivered WAY above my expectations. I have now ridden my buddies 2015 S1000RR a TON and as good as it is, there is no way in hell, I would take it over the 1299.

Each person has different needs and wants. Some will go for the all rounder, competent BMW, some want a more raw, fun experience and some will go with the Yamaha, which seems to be somewhere in between the BMW and the 1299.

That's my input after owning each of them and putting almost 7,000 miles on the 1299 and 54,000+ on the S1000RR.
 
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just curious how you guys say bmw is boring. is it because saying they are an amazing machine hurts your ducati pride? is it because the first bmw s1000rr is a better bike than the new 1299 after all the advances and all these years? or is it that you spent all this money on the ducati you wanted the best and its not but you cant admit it, so you cant say anything else is good? its the most insane engine in any bike. above 9000 the bike takes off. 12500 its not dead it just yawned. 15k come on now dare i say 16k?

the bike is so precise you say it the bike does it. no mistakes the bike is faster and smarter than you are. sounds like an f1 car.

i said it once ill say it again

2 keys on the table take one panigale or hp4 i take the panigale cause its free

however if you have to pay for it and you can only have one bmw every day not even a question.

im lucky enough to flip a coin to decide.

It's boring. If I wanted a 2005 ZX10r, I'd just buy a 2005 ZX10r for $4000.

LOLz. No it was a great bike, and way more streetable than the Panigale, It just didn't get my heart going the way the Ducati does. So I choose red, instead of blue/white.
 
Having owned both a BMW S1000RR and the 1299s, I can tell you my real World experiences.

The BMW S1000RR is hands down, the best all around Motorcycle for sale right now. It's stinking fast right out of the box, it's comfortable, it's a great commute bike ( I put over 54,000 miles on mine, so you're not going to find a lot of people with as much seat time on one as me).. Overall, a fabulous bike. Mine had a full Ti Akra race system, a custom tune and a BMC race filter and made 186 RWHP on a stingy dyno.. An absolute animal above 11,000 rpm. I regeared it, because it was all off for my local tracks.

BUT. it's heavy and feels it. The suspension, while not crap, is certainly not top notch. At the track, I am running about 7 seconds a lap off lap record pace and that's about all the BMW has in it in my hands.. It gets REALLY sketchy once you push it hard (I had the NON DDS suspension on mine). The brakes are really, really good. It steers quite slowly and the turn in is lazy.

The downsides? The engine needs to have its nuts revved off to get the best out of it. Great for straight line racing and freeway roll-ins, if that's your thing, but not so good for track use. It has to be regeared. For instance, at all 4 of my local tracks, it has major issues in various corners being out of the powerband, or being way too high up the rev range in a lower gear. Regearing helps, but then it ends up being a pain in the ass changing sprockets for each track and then back for street use.

The 1299, is an entirely different animal. On paper, they seem closely matched, but they are NOTHNG like each other.

The 1299 is around 30 lbs lighter, but it feels more like 50. The suspension on the 1299 is far superior (as it should be, since we paid $8,00 more for the 1299 than for an S1000RR). The 1299 steers and turns in like a 600 class bike (I also own a Triumph Daytona 675R, which was my previous handling benchmark for Motorcycles), once you get the 1299 set up properly, it's phenomenal; it rides better than the BMW, it handles better and it is far more confidence inspiring. The 1299 also transitions far faster and with less effort.. Flicking the bike from side to side is near telepathic and far less of a wrestling match than on the S1000RR.

With the few simple mods I have made to my 1299, I can tell you that it's faster in every regard than my S1000RR was; the only caveat I have, is that I still haven't pushed my 1299 above 170 mph, but up to that speed, my 1299 as it stands, is quicker than my S1000RR ever was.

The 1299 has better electronics, the BMW had crude traction control, utterly crap wheelie control and the electronics basically fought you if you rode past a certain level. At the track, I turned off all the electronics, including the TC, because the bike kept trying to save me when I didn't need saved.

The brakes on the 1299 are by far the best I have ever experienced on a Motorcycle.

Both are amazing motorcycles, but one is a fabulous all rounder and one is a focused, difficult but challenging beast.

I was going to buy a 2015 S1000RR, but decided what I wanted was a bit more personality, a bit more passion and a bit more focus and the 1299 has delivered WAY above my expectations. I have now ridden my buddies 2015 S1000RR a TON and as good as it is, there is no way in hell, I would take it over the 1299.

Each person has different needs and wants. Some will go for the all rounder, competent BMW, some want a more raw, fun experience and some will go with the Yamaha, which seems to be somewhere in between the BMW and the 1299.

That's my input after owning each of them and putting almost 7,000 miles on the 1299 and 54,000+ on the S1000RR.

I just picked up a 2015 RR and bought it with a set of HP wheels. I do not have nearly enough experience on two wheels to tell much of a difference between my 899 with Rotobox wheels and the forged aluminum on the RR. I noticed a significant improvement on the 899 vs the cast, but that is where it ends. It seems to me that the upgrade to forged wheels must make quite an impact on the feel of the RR as well, however I didn't ride it with the cast.

I will agree that the stock base RR is a much heavier bike, however I am well underway on making it lighter. With a few upgrades, I am hoping to shave another 30 lbs off with a focus on replacing the battery and various pieces with carbon fiber since as it stands it has none.

For me, I enjoy having both, but the 899 isn't getting very much love at the moment.

My recommendation to STW is to not get the RR in order to add some variety to our spirited rides!
 
Mostly track I would have R1M.

Mostly road I'd have 1299 because its got straighter bars which means I can move up the tank its almost an upright bike.
 

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