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Reggie,
When I was looking at your photos closely, I noticed what appears to be a possible origin/source of the 2nd leak. Not sure but since there is nothing above or below this spot, it looks like oil trails from this hole all the way to the generator cover. Is this just an illusion? See Pic
 

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I have the exact same leak as shown in this pic, im gonna take of the fairings and get some decent pictures of it.
 
Reggie,
When I was looking at your photos closely, I noticed what appears to be a possible origin/source of the 2nd leak. Not sure but since there is nothing above or below this spot, it looks like oil trails from this hole all the way to the generator cover. Is this just an illusion? See Pic

That is definitely a possible source. There are some machined seems in thar area as well. I'll be dropping it off tomorrow at the dealer in Falls Church, Va. They claim to have one of only 32 master Ducati techs in the country who is also from Italy so I should have some answers soon. They provided excellent service when I had my 999 so I don't expect the run around.
 
We have identified a bit more data. Both bikes that caught on fire were both using stock exhausts. Does that mean anything. Not sure but it is data.
Are there are some differences between the Termi and stock? Absolutely
Could these differences contribute to a different result? Very hard to say and don't think we could even state something of that nature until we had much more data showing correlations. However, correlation is not causation. It would help to further identify the vital few X's in the problem solving method. I typically employ 8D and 7 Step methods and then DOE to help isolate the Critical few through statistical analysis methods. None of which I can do without a model to test the theories and a lot more data. We are left to speculate. The data flow should be to Ducati who should be putting together the correlations and specific conditions to narrow down the potential cause and then test their theories. Somehow I doubt this level of engineering problem solving is being deployed. I hope I am wrong but based upon the crap OHWeld is being dealt, they either know the cause and don't want the horrible publicity of a safety recall or they too freaking arrogant to look into the issues with great focus. Oh this crap is really starting to piss me off.

We all know an oil fire is hard to start but not out of the realm of possibility based upon the incident by Elitesoldier. He had a significant oil leak followed very closely by a fire. There were no fuel leaks, the fire was contained in the lower portion of the bike, fuel ignites very quickly and easily and would most likely occur much higher in the engine. Doesn't have to happen that way but more probable and that is all we can go on. This is why I am always looking for more information. More about conditions. In both cases the bikes were moving and probably at higher temperatures. These higher temps create higher probability for ignition of oil. The movement factor also helps to reduce the oil:air proportions and further increases the ignition properties of oil. Is it oil. I don't know but there is much more evidence pointing that way than any other data at this point IMHO. We just got to keep information flowing in and look for correlations. That is exactly how I identified the exact conditions that would replicate the hard start on my bike. Had I not followed the level of diligence that I did, they would have continued to say, "Sorry Mr Coots, we could not duplicate the issue." It took me calling John Berntsen and telling him that until they took into account all of the factors that I had identified, then of course they would not be able to duplicate. I specifically told Mr Berntsen, " You know why they can't duplicate the problem.... because it hasn't reached 90F here in Austin. Have them test it under the exact conditions I have specified and it will fail. Guess what, they actually listened and they duplicated the hard start every time. That is how we isolated the problem to the fuel pump. We put two models into the same conditions and they took extensive data and showed that my bike differed from the good model in fuel pump delivery pressure under the prescribed conditions. Conditions are one of the most if not most important criteria to gather in any problem solving approach. Hopefully someone will read this rant and pick up a few pointers to help the process along.
 
Man, 20,000 dollar motorcycles and this kind of thing..

Yeah. This is insane. I just got my 600 done. I'm going to check for leaks tomorrow before I head off to work on it. I hate this feeling. You should have 100% confidence in a machine of this caliber.
 
I just bought my 2012 tricolore brand new and it has a major oil leak as well. I just noticed the leak today. Bike only has 125 miles, and never serviced!!! What to do?
 

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I just bought my 2012 tricolore brand new and it has a major oil leak as well. I just noticed the leak today. Bike only has 125 miles, and never serviced!!! What to do?

Also don't go bleating/whinging about it all over the place to all and sundry.
You've already posted about this else where on this forum:(

Just deal with it in a constructive manner. OK?

Oh, and congratulations on your nice new bike:)
I'm confident that with the right attitude, you will have a most rewarding experience with it over the long term;)
 
Just checked my bike and I see oil built up as well underneath. Also, the inner sides of my pipes have dark streaks/stains all over it too (will take pic later). How do I clean that crap off?

I checked around the oil filter cover but there are no leaks. Not sure where my leak is coming from. Guess its time to remove all fairings and play with a flashlight. :(
 
MikeLee7;138595I checked around the oil filter cover but there are no leaks. Not sure where my leak is coming from. Guess its time to remove all fairings and play with a flashlight. :([/QUOTE said:
Excellent strategy sir.

To clean off any stains, you could try some metal polish with a soft terry towelling cloth.

Let us know what you find.
 
Oil is highly flammable when heated to it's flash point and hard to put out. It would seem that perhaps some oil leaks were not addressed soon enough. With the semi enclosed exhaust below the engine ala buell, coupled with the cats in the stock exhaust under the "right" conditions spells disaster.
Having grown up riding Triumphs, AJS, Norton, and some Harley products, the rule of thumb was" if it's not leaking it's out of oil". That does not work with the Panigale's.
 
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wow!!! I just got my bike from the service...I will make sure I will take a close look before I ride it! Thank you so much for sharing the information!!!!
 
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Who was the member here who was actually riding it when the damn thing caught fire? YOu need to talk with that guy and find out what transpired with insurance and dealer afterward. Remember that if they total the bike you need to get your full system or slip on off it, or at very least the Up Map off the bike and back into the up map thumb drive gizmo before you get another one!

I still dont see how a tiny bit of oil is causing massive fire! Ducati's have leaked oil since their inception but this is unreal ! Good luck bro and keep us posted!
Someone find those pics of that other dudes bike all cooked up and put them in here. That case was brutal !

They never copied Eric Buell's exhaust before either, running cats and having the exhaust right under the "dripper" with everything shrouded holding in the heat is a great heat/ ignition source, and oil is a ..... to put out when it gets going.
 
what?
Spilling oil on hot exhaust?

The stock exhaust has fiberglass insulation between the silencer and the aluminium liner.

A few hamfisted underachievers managed to let old oil seep into that fiberglass wool when pulling the filter cover.

On the first ride after the oil change, the oil-saturated insulation would catch fire and in a few cases light up the bike.

When I took my '12 in for the first oil change, they put the intern on it and it's exactly what happened. When I noticed the smoke coming out, I hopped on the bike and rode off at a good speed which put out the fire but the cans were toast. It got me new cans and an apology.
 
Everyone who wraps their exhaust should be extra vigilant.

My concern from my two warrantied oil leaks was the oil drips that were blowing onto the rear hugger. Next stop rear tire, last stop the emergency Ward. :eek:
 

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