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Yes, I think usage makes a difference.
If racing, and you have a 1000cc cap, you have to go R.
Everything else, the 1103 bike is much better.
Yes, back to back, I think the 1000cc engine is a bit more exciting. But, in isolation, the 1103 is every bit as good, but more usable.

Pace will have something to do with it too, I’m slow enough for now at the track where I would have to shorten the final drive ratio of of sprockets to stay in the power range of the R…whereas with my bike I can have a longer gear but still get decent power at 8k rpm in 2nd gear without having to shift to 1st gear.
 
As an aside, I was faced with literally the same decision, went to test ride the SP and the R on the same day, but then a V4 25 Anniversario 916 (Basically the same as the SP came on on a return with 500 miles on it…got the bigger engines bike, no regrets whatsoever. 10% street use and 90% track day monster.
 
Question for the 2020 V4R owners in here.

What was delivered with the bike?
I'm seeing the SP2 come with an accessory box which includes I think.
The dry clutch cover, mirror block offs and a few other items.
Was anything like that included with the 2020?
 
You guys are making me think on my plan. Bought a 22 V4S to ride from now until Nov23 when they said the V4R would be in. I'm 11th on the list, so would expect it to be a while. Use case is 25% Street 75% track (6-10 track days/yr, medium pace, not a racer). Thought about exhaust & dry clutch (sound does it for me), call it a day instead of the R. The idea of the torque band being bigger and then there's also the talk of mechanical suspension vs electronic. But the R is the R right? Same draw OP has to the R sounds like. $ wise is 30+6+4 vs 45+6+5(V4S loss). Really enjoying the S so far, hadn't had it on track yet though. Set the ego aside and keep the S and more $ for rider improvements/enjoy more power?
 
If I had it to do over again knowing what I know now I would have bought a V4 base then upgraded everything.

The new V4R has different gearing that may change my mind but in my 1st year of track experience I think neither bike is the greatest for anyone not in the top 3rd of the fastest group to learn on but the V4 base and S are probably a bit easier to go fast on than the R at the track.

For most of us how fast the bike goes has nothing to do with how fast we are, or very little haha.
 
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You guys are making me think on my plan. Bought a 22 V4S to ride from now until Nov23 when they said the V4R would be in. I'm 11th on the list, so would expect it to be a while. Use case is 25% Street 75% track (6-10 track days/yr, medium pace, not a racer). Thought about exhaust & dry clutch (sound does it for me), call it a day instead of the R. The idea of the torque band being bigger and then there's also the talk of mechanical suspension vs electronic. But the R is the R right? Same draw OP has to the R sounds like. $ wise is 30+6+4 vs 45+6+5(V4S loss). Really enjoying the S so far, hadn't had it on track yet though. Set the ego aside and keep the S and more $ for rider improvements/enjoy more power?

The only real advantage the R has over the other Panigale V4 range, is, you can say it's the R.
I dynoed my V4R and 22 base model, on the same day, on the same dyno, using the same wheel. Less than 1hp difference in peak hp, and power curve was almost identical.
Back to back, the R engine is amazing, the way the engine makes its power is bonkers. But, you have to stay on top of it, and work it, all the time, to make good progress.
In isolation, the 1103 engine is the same, bonkers. But, you just don't have to work it as hard to really get shifting. And the visceral thrill is the same, it's immensely enjoyable, more tractable, and, faster.
Both weapons, but the R is 100% not worth £16k more than the base bike, as an experience.
 
You guys are making me think on my plan. Bought a 22 V4S to ride from now until Nov23 when they said the V4R would be in. I'm 11th on the list, so would expect it to be a while. Use case is 25% Street 75% track (6-10 track days/yr, medium pace, not a racer). Thought about exhaust & dry clutch (sound does it for me), call it a day instead of the R. The idea of the torque band being bigger and then there's also the talk of mechanical suspension vs electronic. But the R is the R right? Same draw OP has to the R sounds like. $ wise is 30+6+4 vs 45+6+5(V4S loss). Really enjoying the S so far, hadn't had it on track yet though. Set the ego aside and keep the S and more $ for rider improvements/enjoy more power?
Keep the S. I had a similar thought but financially makes no sense to drop $45k on a track bike. If financials doesn’t weigh in, YOLO
 
If I had it to do over again knowing what I know now I would have bought a V4 base then upgraded everything.

The new V4R has different gearing that may change my mind but in my 1st year of track experience I think neither bike is the greatest for anyone not in the top 3rd of the fastest group to learn on but the V4 base and S are probably a bit easier to go fast on than the R at the track.

For most of us how fast the bike goes has nothing to do with how fast we are, or very little haha.
23 R and 22 S gearing are the same
 
I have a 22’ V4S right now that I absolutely love. I ride through twisties and canyons only with the track days coming soon. I ordered a V4R 23’ just because I wanted to have something different/ special. In all honesty my plan going forward is to trade the V4S in for the V4R and then purchase a v2 as a dedicated track bike for racing. Here in southern California it seems most racing and tracks here are catered to the V2 and that class. From what I can tell, At least in my area, the V2 is the better track bike and the V4 is a fun / cool bike for streets and occasional track days as opposed to racing. I’d love to have some bigger tracks that cater to the liter class though so I could truly experience the v4.
 
I have a 22’ V4S right now that I absolutely love. I ride through twisties and canyons only with the track days coming soon. I ordered a V4R 23’ just because I wanted to have something different/ special. In all honesty my plan going forward is to trade the V4S in for the V4R and then purchase a v2 as a dedicated track bike for racing. Here in southern California it seems most racing and tracks here are catered to the V2 and that class. From what I can tell, At least in my area, the V2 is the better track bike and the V4 is a fun / cool bike for streets and occasional track days as opposed to racing. I’d love to have some bigger tracks that cater to the liter class though so I could truly experience the v4.

Big Willow
 
Local track is chuckwalla, but I’ll have to take the V4 to big willow at some point. Thank you

I still haven’t done it on a bike yet…many times in a corvettes, lotus’s, Porsches, once in an ultra…it’s a big boy track that favors power, and is the fastest average mph track in the US as I understand it.

Gotta be murder on tires.
 
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In fact. Why isn't there a cup holder for the SP? wheretf does a latte go?
@Jolly Roger V4 do you have a technical solution for this? We need photos.

Yes, Professionals can drink lattes, ride and don't need any wings or things. I do use my wings to hold the latte in between sessions though!!!!
And to scratch my nuts with leathers on too, works wonders!!
 

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