After 8 years is the electronic suspension still worth the money?

Riding fast on roads is fine. Everyone here does it. Riding irresponsibly and endangering or even inconveniencing people who don’t share your activity isn’t. It is what it is. Riding fast on rural roads, cops aren’t going to hassle you. I do it daily. I also slow to the speed limit if I pass a small town or small residential area. I don’t speed when I’m back in town or city limits and I keep the revs down if I have to go through a residential neighborhood.

....... bike is loud and I know not everyone likes noise. It’s called being responsible and considerate of people who aren’t like you. Not everyone like to be past by a bike at 100+ walking their dog through the park.

The issue becomes a lot more problematic when you guys get together. Take a look at some of the .... on YouTube people have to deal with. You all talk the same “ no bro, we only ride in deserted roads in the middle of nowhere at night” then post a bunch of videos doing wheelies down crowded streets. ....... BS for everyone. Now if they can just find a way to impound all those ridiculous, backfiring fart cans, we could make some progress.

Also there is zero mention of your crash anywhere on YouTube or anywhere else. A guy who rides with a “crew” that goes down at 190 and is in the hospital with multiple serious injuries is going to get mentioned. Can’t find it anywhere. How about some pics of the bike?

endodoc said:

Also there is zero mention of your crash anywhere on YouTube or anywhere else. A guy who rides with a “crew” that goes down at 190 and is in the hospital with multiple serious injuries is going to get mentioned. Can’t find it anywhere. How about some pics of the bike?

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Also no pics of my bike I just been focusing on my self & recovering not really worried about it now. I will be taking a look at it sometime soon first I have to get cleared at the hospital.

endodoc said:

Riding fast on roads is fine. Everyone here does it. Riding irresponsibly and endangering or even inconveniencing people who don’t share your activity isn’t. It is what it is. Riding fast on rural roads, cops aren’t going to hassle you. I do it daily. I also slow to the speed limit if I pass a small town or small residential area. I don’t speed when I’m back in town or city limits and I keep the revs down if I have to go through a residential neighborhood.

....... bike is loud and I know not everyone likes noise. It’s called being responsible and considerate of people who aren’t like you. Not everyone like to be past by a bike at 100+ walking their dog through the park.

The issue becomes a lot more problematic when you guys get together. Take a look at some of the .... on YouTube people have to deal with. You all talk the same “ no bro, we only ride in deserted roads in the middle of nowhere at night” then post a bunch of videos doing wheelies down crowded streets. ....... BS for everyone. Now if they can just find a way to impound all those ridiculous, backfiring fart cans, we could make some progress.

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Yeah that’s definitely not me or any of my buddies… so awkward, we ride with V4R, M1000rr, my Panigale 1299, CBR rrr, Aprilia factory, R1 the V4 SL was a buddy but it’s sold now and that only came out on you tube because he allowed Jac to record. But doesn’t mean I ride with him.

I respect the law as much as possible and people, when I go fast no one else is on the road, and I do a lot of rural riding, I know may change where I ride but I mean I’m not a total bloke lol.

I know the consequences so I thread carefully but when their is an opportunity then I send, just like I know you guys do too, like this Wednesday was one of those nights honest failure of stock dampener. No one was at Risk thank god.
I’m grateful I’m still here & no one else got hurt.

Given the circumstances of the crash, did you even see the bike afterwards? I presume you got a tankslapper/death wobble which is what made you draw the conclusion that the damper failed. I'd also presume the bike is a total loss. Has anyone examined the damper?

Was it set to DES Dynamic or DES Fixed? I don't know if manual (fixed) settings were a thing with the 1199. My 1199 was a base with the terrible forks and terrible shock.

With DES Dynamic, at least on the Panigale V4S, if you set the steering damper to -5 or +5 it won't have any effect when the bike is standing still. In DES Fixed you can set it from 19 (low damping) to 1 (high damping). At 1 you really have to put effort into the bars to move it at all, even when standing still. I never tried unplugging it or powering off the bike to see if the setting persisted in DES Fixed.

Fixed

Vicati said:

over my highside

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Sorry, was it a highside or a tankslapper?

bp_SFV4 said:

Sorry, was it a highside or a tankslapper?

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Both bro. Death wobble in seconds bike chassy got upset & bucked me right off. So Then I highsided.

Vicati said:

… weather I was going fast or not the dampener should have never failed.

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Alternatively: “… whether the damper failed or not, I should have never been riding so fast on a public road.”

I’m sorry to hear you were injured bro, and I hope you recover quickly. I’m also glad to hear that neither you nor anyone else was killed in the accident.

oi mate when the C H A S S Y got proper unsaddled you were no longer gonna take the win

Vicati said:

…Going to go back to recovering and working. Peace.

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Also, just in case you’re not aware of the potential legal consequences of crashing while riding so fast:

“Causing serious bodily injury or death results in 2nd degree felony charges, and your sentence can be up to 20 years of imprisonment and $10,000 fine. Multiple 2nd degree street racing convictions can lead to life in prison.”


From:

https://texascarlaws.com/street-racing/

KarlKani said:

oi mate when the C H A S S Y got proper unsaddled you were no longer gonna take the win

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D’oh!

Sorry bro your damper didn’t fail. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better though.

Even if it did that’s not the cause of your crash. A failing damper wouldn’t cause a wreck.

brad8266 said:

Sorry bro your damper didn’t fail. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better though.

Even if it did that’s not the cause of your crash. A failing damper wouldn’t cause a wreck.

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Do you even ride bikes ? Lmaooo wobble can cause the whole bike to loose STABILITY. Who disagrees with me is a joke.

Vicati said:

Do you even ride bikes ? Lmaooo wobble can cause the whole bike to loose STABILITY. Who disagrees with me is a joke.

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I do, and clearly better than you do since you can’t handle head shake at high speed yet blame the damper for your lack of riding ability. I fight head shake everyday I’m at the track, both in straight lines and corner exit, just more skilled in dealing with it than you are. The best part of my riding is my ability to save myself from situations most would crash in ie.. tank slappers and sudden chassis instability. Point is the damper is not at fault for your accident regardless of whether it was working or not.

Hope you heal up ok

Mick1976 said:

After 8 years the wiring harness's are still a disaster from the factory so with the DES its more .... to fail and its why everyone that knows anything about these bikes stay away from that mess.

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Best post here, and all in all the FACT/TRUTH of the matter,

electronics suspension is cool, you can change things on the fly but there is no fail safety no memory, as soon as it stops receiving the constant electrical signal, it resets to the softest setting and that’s because Ducati, aftermarket Ohlins a lot different and a lot better built then stock oem.

mechanical is better in the sense it’s more reliable hands down I’ve both the 1299s aniversario & 1299s, so I speaking with experience, my anniversario had aftermarket Ohlins mechanical dampener never an issue, my 1299s just rode it with electronics and it failed catastrophically, regardless of setting, or parameters or location it shouldn’t have failed.

so if you can avoid the S model, plus with they 8K more you pay you could get with @Mick1976 or @cycler and buy lighter stronger wheels, ceramic bearings, Ohlins suspension, filter & exhaust. Many options these guys provide..

Enjoy the ride.

^^ agree with that. I have electronics but run it in fixed mode for this reason so that if it fails it won’t flip out. If I had to do it again I’d of went base model, even as much as I enjoy being able to adjust fixed damping right from the dash.

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I do, and clearly better than you do since you can’t handle head shake at high speed yet blame the damper for your lack of riding ability. I fight head shake everyday I’m at the track, both in straight lines and corner exit, just more skilled in dealing with it than you are. The best part of my riding is my ability to save myself from situations most would crash in ie.. tank slappers and sudden chassis instability. Point is the damper is not at fault for your accident regardless of whether it was working or not.

Hope you heal up ok

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Oh .... you must be a pro racer? Uh what race org do you race for? I mean I don’t know who I’m talking to on here I don’t know a lot of you guys except Mick & Endodoc because we’ve exchange bike info and data. Questions about little things here & there.

I didn’t know this, maybe we atta run it in Cota when I’m healed up.
Thanks for the good hopes.
And yeah I had my suspension at fixed, it was not only the dampener it was the suspension as well, see the thing is if the electrical signal is lost the damping goes with it, the pins inside doesn’t have the sígnal to hold fixed position.

also just FYI I was dealing with a lot of wobble before on this bike on track and on street, we kept tweaking suspension, but still did it that’s why I had Ohlins service the whole thing, I can deal with wobble but it’s annoying and slows you down a lot when you go for track times, I even replaced map sensors on my 1299s because it like to shut off randomly at idle even tho when the Ducati master tech locked at it, it never reported an issue, like Mick said E suspension is just something else to go bad.

Vicati said:

Oh .... you must be a pro racer? Uh what race org do you race for? I mean I don’t know who I’m talking to on here I don’t know a lot of you guys except Mick & Endodoc because we’ve exchange bike info and data. Questions about little things here & there.

I didn’t know this, maybe we atta run it in Cota when I’m healed up.
Thanks for the good hopes.
And yeah I had my suspension at fixed, it was not only the dampener it was the suspension as well, see the thing is if the electrical signal is lost the damping goes with it, the pins inside doesn’t have the sígnal to hold fixed position.

also just FYI I was dealing with a lot of wobble before on this bike on track and on street, we kept tweaking suspension, but still did it that’s why I had Ohlins service the whole thing, I can deal with wobble but it’s annoying and slows you down a lot when you go for track times, I even replaced map sensors on my 1299s because it like to shut off randomly at idle even tho when the Ducati master tech locked at it, it never reported an issue, like Mick said E suspension is just something else to go bad.

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So you clearly already had stability issues, likely unrelated to your damper. My point stands that it wasn’t the damper that caused you to crash. Probably not a good idea to be going 190 on the road knowing you already had stability issues, but hey what do I know I’m not a pro racer …

Likely won’t see me at COTA, try to keep to it the east coast.

Vicati, glad you were able to make it out of that wreck. I'd say you're more than a little lucky to be here if you actually came off at 190.

I think all of us are actually on your side, and dont want anyone to get hurt. That being said, instantly blaming the steering damper because you had a high speed tank slapper is extremely naive and convenient to pass the blame. Just another accident waiting to happen. Like others have said as well, even IF it did fail, it didn't cause the crash. How are you so positive it failed? Did you see the DES light in the .00001 seconds between the slapper and flying through the air? I've had a couple 100+ tank slappers on my 1299. In fact one of my steering stops is broken off from it. I didnt go home and blame the dampener. There's lessons to be learned.

You said you had the suspension completely serviced. Did you check the geometry afterwards?

I've seen the DES light many times over the 27k miles I've put on my bike. I'll agree with you there, mechanical is much more reliable. When the DES light comes on, I honestly dont feel a ton of difference in the suspension and I dont cruise along at 50 either. I dont claim to know how the suspension works in failure mode, but from my experience it doesn't go to softest settings. If you think about it, it would only make sense it would stay in the mode it was in at the time of failure especially if you already have it in fixed mode.

Get well, learn from it, and maybe hire a forensics team to really find out what happened.