Akrapovic Full System Dyno Chart

DarioDuc said:

Now I'm confused as to why I have to purchase the tuneboy? Ok, here is my situation. I want to purchase the akra system. Can someone tell me what else I have to buy in order to achieve the best possible performance out of the system?? Please provide a list of things for me and where I could buy them. Sorry for the redundancy but i still haven't found a clear cut answer.

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The Akra being a non factory pipe needs a tuning solution.... Ducati do not offer a map...as of yet.. for this pipe..So now you are faced with finding a chosen method..You can go RapidBike..Power Commander..Tune Boy.. these are either add on modules or a flash to your Ecu...

The choice is yours..this is the only way to garner the max power from your bike with the Akra.. A bespoke tune with dyno time will also be required unless you go the canned tune route.. which in my opinion is a waste of money...

DarioDuc said:

Now I'm confused as to why I have to purchase the tuneboy? Ok, here is my situation. I want to purchase the akra system. Can someone tell me what else I have to buy in order to achieve the best possible performance out of the system?? Please provide a list of things for me and where I could buy them. Sorry for the redundancy but i still haven't found a clear cut answer.

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Exhaust change = more air flow and different tuning characteristics needed to maximize performance and minimize weaknesses.

Therefore you must tune the bike or get a 'generic' tune. An example of the generic (Can) would be the Full Termi's with the 'Up' map. That Up map would have to be good across multiple bikes, regions, regulations, and variances in the actual product, etc.

Proper way is install the new exhaust, stick the bike on a Dyno and have someone knowledgeable provide a good tune to the bike to provide the right settings for your bike and pipe combination. This will require something to store the new data. You have a few choices, I'm going with the Power Commander 5 (PCV). Think of this as a 'piggyback' device to modify/alter/overwrite particular settings from the stock ECU.

If you are going to drop $3500-$4500 on the exhaust, you should really spend the other $1000 to make it right.

Sucks that it isn't plug and play and expensive, but it is what it is.

DarioDuc said:

Now I'm confused as to why I have to purchase the tuneboy? Ok, here is my situation. I want to purchase the akra system. Can someone tell me what else I have to buy in order to achieve the best possible performance out of the system?? Please provide a list of things for me and where I could buy them. Sorry for the redundancy but i still haven't found a clear cut answer.

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+1 on what Turnone said but to get the best possible performance out of a full race system is air intake mods, intake and exhaust cam timing changes, higher compression pistons. It can get really expensive.

Remember that full systems and AF tuners can be one of the single most expensive mods with the least amount of power gains by itself. In fact it can be disappointing without the mods described above. Longer and wider headers reshapes the power curve for the track and not necessarily good for the street. AF tuners are just as effective for stock headers for the street because the manufactures makes maps to meet the EPA regulations which is crappy AF ratios.

Choose wisely on the route you want to go. Street vs track

Phil is a good example: he kept the stock headers removed the cats and used the tune boy AF tuner and got more midrange power and awesome sound. Excellent for the street. Probably could do the same with Termi slips because the cats are removed and use a AF tuner to maximize the AF ratio to gain more mid for the street.

Phil said:

if you purchase the tuneboy unit

http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/16286-tuneboy-special-offer-ends-dec-1st.html

you get the map by request for free.

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Phil - you were going to post a step-by-step for Tune installation and use? I re-downloaded Tuneboy Edit/Engine. When I run it, I have no idea if it is correct. I tried to download the PDF docs, both links are bad. Then when I try to find an 1199 tune on the suite, it only has 1198s. Help!

The real deal!

I have now tested both the Rexxer map and the Tuneboy map discussed in this thread by @wmcdonal aka Tuneboy.

My findings are as follows:

The Rexxer map is rideable and adds power. It feels stable and predictable. There was an issue where it would bog down when hard on the gas at about 5000 rpm. This has been fixed with the latest map I received and it pulls fairly hard through the rpm range. The one thing that has never been sorted is the idle. It still idles at 1700-1800rpm. It doesn't seem to be an issue with my bike because the Tuneboy map idles fine.

As far as the Tuneboy map, it turned my bike into an animal! It takes an already beast of a bike to another level while remaining ridable at lower rpms. The power is addictive and insane. It feels like the power never ends when I twist the throttle. I am so use to riding this bike with the midrange dip that it is kind of startling when it isn't there.

When testing the Tuneboy map I was riding with a friend with stock exhaust. I let him ride my bike and this is what he said: "I should have never ridden your
bike. It makes my bike feel like a 600." I just started laughing.
Never had a conversation with him about Wayne's comments and he doesn't read this forum. I must say though, when riding his stock bike, there was a HUGE difference.

It has been a long run to get this bike to the point where it really feels rideable. Both maps get that job done but the Tuneboy map is just plain fun and really capitalizes on the mad horsepower available with this exhaust/engine combo.

I also think the fact I get cruise control and can adjust quick shift speed, really puts Tuneboy over the top for me.

At some point I will get a dyno run comparing both tunes side by side. I intended on doing it last weekend but the dyno truck didn't show up at the track. Will post here if I get it done soon.

Just want to throw this out there....I'm not a fan of canned (generic) tunes - a tune for everyone everywhere given the same mod list. Nothing against the tuners...they may have created the best possible tune given their fuel, climate, humidity, elevation, etc. But that doesn't work everywhere. A bespoke tune for your bike in your city / area with your local fuel by a reputable tuner would be the best and safest bet.

Just stating this as our Canadian fuels SUCK. Researched deep into it with my cars.

Nitrouz said:

Just want to throw this out there....I'm not a fan of canned (generic) tunes - a tune for everyone everywhere given the same mod list. Nothing against the tuners...they may have created the best possible tune given their fuel, climate, humidity, elevation, etc. But that doesn't work everywhere. A bespoke tune for your bike in your city / area with your local fuel by a reputable tuner would be the best and safest bet.

Just stating this as our Canadian fuels SUCK. Researched deep into it with my cars.

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Do you only have one fuel in Canada ?
If you have a choice of fuels you have the same issue.
Not sure what effect the same city would have.

lardawge tested a tune made in Sydney Australia for the Panigale with Akrapovic exhaust, he is in the USA.

The tune he has is a starting point that is much closer to the ideal than the standard tune.
The software allows adjustments to be made to the fuel and ignition values.
The throttle rate tables will not change based on the fuel, how many tuners would be prepared to spend the time getting this correct.
If they are tuning with a piggyback they can't do anything with the throttle.

I hope we can get some more feedback on the TuneBoy tune for the Akrapovic exhaust, this will show how well it works in different markets.

I agree that a tune from a different bike is not the perfect tune for your bike, unless you are very lucky.

wmcdonal said:

Do you only have one fuel in Canada ?
If you have a choice of fuels you have the same issue.
Not sure what effect the same city would have.

lardawge tested a tune made in Sydney Australia for the Panigale with Akrapovic exhaust, he is in the USA.

The tune he has is a starting point that is much closer to the ideal than the standard tune.
The software allows adjustments to be made to the fuel and ignition values.
The throttle rate tables will not change based on the fuel, how many tuners would be prepared to spend the time getting this correct.
If they are tuning with a piggyback they can't do anything with the throttle.

I hope we can get some more feedback on the TuneBoy tune for the Akrapovic exhaust, this will show how well it works in different markets.

I agree that a tune from a different bike is not the perfect tune for your bike, unless you are very lucky.

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How do I get technical assistance on Tuneboy? I have posted and sent multiple emails/addresses.

wmcdonal said:

Do you only have one fuel in Canada ?
If you have a choice of fuels you have the same issue.
Not sure what effect the same city would have.

lardawge tested a tune made in Sydney Australia for the Panigale with Akrapovic exhaust, he is in the USA.

The tune he has is a starting point that is much closer to the ideal than the standard tune.
The software allows adjustments to be made to the fuel and ignition values.
The throttle rate tables will not change based on the fuel, how many tuners would be prepared to spend the time getting this correct.
If they are tuning with a piggyback they can't do anything with the throttle.

I hope we can get some more feedback on the TuneBoy tune for the Akrapovic exhaust, this will show how well it works in different markets.

I agree that a tune from a different bike is not the perfect tune for your bike, unless you are very lucky.

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We have many different brands. Octane ratings range from 89 to 94. Vehicles tuned on 91 octane USA fuel don't run well with even our 94 octane. Some GTR's go into limp mode with our 94 octane fuel even when they're stock. I do wish we had better fuel.

Got my bike back today. Here is the Dyno chart. Standard vs. two runs with the same tune and full Akra Ti. PCV piggyback. Custom tune by Chad Wells at Commonwealth Motorcycles in Louisville. Highly recommended for all Ducati work. I drive 2 hours each way to utilize them. Currently weighs 377 with the low fuel light just illuminated. This is the Base ABS model.
Pump gas. Stock internals, compression, etc.
Can't wait until spring time.

Edit: It utilizes Rexxer flash to 'race prep'. Turn off sidestand, fan, secondary air, O2, etc. Then tuned utilizing the DynoJet PCV.

Wow what awesome gains! And the dip is gone, real nice and smooth looking graph!

Please report with seat of pants test ride

Ps am I reading this right with a 20 ft lb of trq gain at around 5000 rpm!? God damn.

Interesting that the power dip is gone even with the pre-tuned dyno...

NICE! Better than any Tuneboy, Rexxer or other Handheld unit!!!!!!!!!

Would be interested to see PCV with my AR system, if it can take out the dip it would be gold

Nitrouz said:

Interesting that the power dip is gone even with the pre-tuned dyno...

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Not sure I agree. I did have the latest ECU flash from Ducati which definitely helped the power dip. But I still felt one and I see on on the stock pipes/stock ECU on the Dyno. Look at the 5100 RPM for both HP and Tq.

what Termi system?

that difference is quit impressive. and looking at the meager 166 from a pessimistic dyno, which is good.

however, as said before : in comparison with what Termi, as there can be some differences..

1. stock
2. stock manifold plus slip on cans
3. R Evo system ( AKA Full system) EVO manifold + TI mufflers
4. R PRO system ( PRo system from Ducati R catalog) = PRO manifold with small lambda sensor plugs + the EVO ti muffflers
5. R CORSE system ( AKA the CORSE SSTK system) = CORSE PRO manifold with broadband Lambda sensor plugs + the EVO TI mufflers
6. RS SBK 2012 manifold
7. RS SBK 2013 V1 manifold
8. RS SBK 2013 V2 manifold
9. F013 V1 sbk system Full titanium
10.F014 V2 sbk system Full titanium

i'm not sure the SBK 2013 V1 isn't the same as the SBK 2012..

of course all systems with their specific mappings

grtz

I would still be interested to know the physical differences between the pipes (mufflers) if anyone can compare the plumbing? I guess like Phil suggested someone needs to pull it apart, which is never likely to happen.

what ih ear but do not know is that het CORSE pipes are cleaned at the welds on the inside which the DP are not. Its something that would explain the huge diff in price..

If I am reading the current posts correctly we have a few people here who think the PCV is the reason the dip is gone.

Others think the two tuned lines are for the RexXer flash followed by the final tune with PCV.
Unless my eyes are playing up it looks like dyno run 001, 063 and 064.
This would make me think that run 63 and 64 are both in a tuned state (After PCV tuning).
You should also take care when you compare dyno run 001, this is always the lowest value and does not reflect the true starting power.
Dyno operators should always do three runs to get a good base line.

wmcdonal said:

If I am reading the current posts correctly we have a few people here who think the PCV is the reason the dip is gone.

Others think the two tuned lines are for the RexXer flash followed by the final tune with PCV.
Unless my eyes are playing up it looks like dyno run 001, 063 and 064.
This would make me think that run 63 and 64 are both in a tuned state (After PCV tuning).
You should also take care when you compare dyno run 001, this is always the lowest value and does not reflect the true starting power.
Dyno operators should always do three runs to get a good base line.

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Actually I'm keen to see an Akra dyno graph with no tune, just the Akra bolted on. That will show whether the pipe suffers from the same issues as the Termi and AR out of the box.

Also can you pleeeease send Trauma (Frank) his Tuneboy keys so he stops asking us for help I posted a link to the manual for him that you posted elsewhere on this forum.