Akrapovic Full System Dyno Chart

EvoL · Nov 15, 2013

I do love the Akra, but can't help but think the "magic" in it comes from the optimized tune. The Termi comes with an up-map that has to work for a huge range of climates, altitudes, temperatures, applications, etc.

Im wondering if we had a full Termi system with a custom/optimized tune on with the Tuneboy, what the outcome would be.

EvoL · Nov 15, 2013

wmcdonal said:
One last graph and I am sure this is a question in many minds.
This graph shows the following bikes on the TuneBoy dyno.
Red is the 1199 Akrapovic.
Blue is a standard BMW S1000RR
Green is a 2013 ZX10R, standard exhaust but fully tuned.

This along with the "Troy Babich" graph showing 191 DynoJet HP should clear any questions about DynoJet numbers v DynoDynamics numbers.

Wow, the ZX10R is impressive even with the stock exhaust. I wonder if it could pull 7hp more with a full exhaust - to match the Panigale.

Trauma · Nov 15, 2013

EvoL said:
I do love the Akra, but can't help but think the "magic" in it comes from the optimized tune. The Termi comes with an up-map that has to work for a huge range of climates, altitudes, temperatures, applications, etc.

Im wondering if we had a full Termi system with a custom/optimized tune on with the Tuneboy, what the outcome would be.

There have been tons of custom tunes for the Pani posted here over the last year, nothing as strong and smooth as this. I really feel Akra took the time, and did it better than anyone else.

reganc · Nov 15, 2013

Trauma said:
There have been tons of custom tunes for the Pani posted here over the last year, nothing as strong and smooth as this. I really feel Akra took the time, and did it better than anyone else.

Then buy it??

Trauma · Nov 15, 2013

reganc said:
Then buy it??

Absolutely. This really is the best graph posted on this forum, and there have been dozens. For me, $4K is a lot to make a great sounding/performing bike, sound a little different/better and perform a little faster (for those that have already pushed the limit). So it really boils down to the look, for $4K

turnone · Nov 15, 2013

Dealer is ordering me a set and will tune. Continued progress turning this thing into track/race only.

Duck41 · Nov 15, 2013

Trauma said:
Absolutely. This really is the best graph posted on this forum, and there have been dozens. For me, $4K is a lot to make a great sounding/performing bike, sound a little different/better and perform a little faster (for those that have already pushed the limit). So it really boils down to the look, for $4K

Agreed. By all accounts it's a phenomenal system, but $4k certainly is a pretty penny.

wmcdonal · Nov 15, 2013

For the road test on this bike we took a Panigale with Termi slip-on and the Panigale with the Akrapovic.
We took the bikes down a nice bit of road with no traffic.
I rode the Akrapovic bike down and the Termi bike back.
The other rider owns the bike with the Termi slip-on.

"It makes my bike feel like a 600" was his comment.

That is what 30% more in the midrange does.

The Termi slip-on has less drop in the midrange than the standard system or the full Termi system.
Tuning will not fill in the hole. The hole in the midrange is because of the pipe.
Other systems like the QD fill in the dip but you have a big pipe on the side of the bike.

If the price of the Akrapovic system is over the top I am sure the full Termi system is also over the top.

I see the Akrapovic system for $3400 and the full Termi system is not much less.

EvoL · Nov 16, 2013

Trauma said:
There have been tons of custom tunes for the Pani posted here over the last year, nothing as strong and smooth as this. I really feel Akra took the time, and did it better than anyone else.

Yes, custom tunes but not apples to apples. I mean same dyno, same tuner, somewhat same conditions, etc. Im all for the Akrapovic, I think its awesome. Im just wondering HOW much "better" it is than the Full Termi.

Does it make 4hp more than the full Termi at its peak? 2hp? 10hp?

Akra lists its gains as something like "17hp at 5,250 rpm" in the video. Which I find odd. Racing applications may never see as low as 5k rpm.

Just playing Devils Advocate here

Nitrouz · Nov 16, 2013

I'm taking off my full termi's on Monday myself to swap on the full Akra's. Going to take pictures and measurements side by side to see if I can spot any differences in piping. While I'm not an engineer myself, hopefully someone on the board can figure out the reason for the difference in power.

Phl · Nov 16, 2013

Nitrouz said:
I'm taking off my full termi's on Monday myself to swap on the full Akra's. Going to take pictures and measurements side by side to see if I can spot any differences in piping. While I'm not an engineer myself, hopefully someone on the board can figure out the reason for the difference in power.

Drill the rivets and take them apart!

Nitrouz · Nov 16, 2013

Phil said:
Drill the rivets and take them apart!

Sure if you're willing to buy it off me that way. I'll pacakge them in 65 tiny boxes...

Tom yfz · Nov 16, 2013

I think it's funny, no one wants to overlay a tuned Termi system dyno graph, over the AKRA with a dyno tune ? Why is that ?
Or let's really step out on a limb, how about the AR dyno graph ?
Don't get me wrong, the Akra looks like it does really well, just want to compare apples to apples.

Higgs Boson · Nov 16, 2013

Tom yfz said:
I think it's funny, no one wants to overlay a tuned Termi system dyno graph, over the AKRA with a dyno tune ? Why is that ?
Or let's really step out on a limb, how about the AR dyno graph ?
Don't get me wrong, the Akra looks like it does really well, just want to compare apples to apples.

Because that would be irrelevant unless they were done at the same time on the same dyno in the same location.

Tom yfz · Nov 16, 2013

Higgs, I agree
But right now were looking for the gains and justification over Termis, and I'm not sure there is 3500.00 plus the cost of a tune, value over the Termi.

Duck41 · Nov 16, 2013

Tom yfz said:
I think it's funny, no one wants to overlay a tuned Termi system dyno graph, over the AKRA with a dyno tune ? Why is that ?
Or let's really step out on a limb, how about the AR dyno graph ?
Don't get me wrong, the Akra looks like it does really well, just want to compare apples to apples.

The companies producing other systems on the market have had plenty of time to promote their products and wow us by displaying examples of what a tuned version of their system can accomplish; none have stepped up to the plate like Akrapovic. Akra is entering the picture late, but this product seems to be the first system available that checks all of the boxes for Panigale owners. In my opinion, they are capturing a market segment that the competitors seem to have taken for granted.

Higgs Boson · Nov 16, 2013

Tom yfz said:
Higgs, I agree
But right now were looking for the gains and justification over Termis, and I'm not sure there is 3500.00 plus the cost of a tune, value over the Termi.

Value depends on the individual.

wmcdonal · Nov 16, 2013

Tom yfz said:
I think it's funny, no one wants to overlay a tuned Termi system dyno graph, over the AKRA with a dyno tune ? Why is that ?
Or let's really step out on a limb, how about the AR dyno graph ?
Don't get me wrong, the Akra looks like it does really well, just want to compare apples to apples.

You assume that we have tuned a Panigale with the full system on our dyno and for some reason we don't want to post the result.
We have not had a Pani with full termi system on our Dyno, we have tuned one on a DynoJet dyno in Perth and compared to the AR on that same dyno. The Termi full system had a little less up top and the dip in the midrange was similar to the AR.

As for the AR please read my posts showing the graphs, The second power graph is comparing Akra and AR.

Tom yfz · Nov 16, 2013

As for the AR please read my posts showing the graphs, The second power graph is comparing Akra and AR.

My bad, I did not look that far back in this thread, the results look very impressive.

Thanks for taking time to post these results.

bradp51 · Nov 16, 2013

Tom yfz said:
Higgs, I agree
But right now were looking for the gains and justification over Termis, and I'm not sure there is 3500.00 plus the cost of a tune, value over the Termi.

Not sure I understand the maths there. How is a akra $3500 more than a full termi ?

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