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do the Termis have a middle bracket? or is it just the clamp at one end and the front bracket at the other?
Anyone running the new Termignoni Slip-ons?
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Hey Shilling, are you going to dyno before and after or not worry about it for this mod?
The cans I was getting have magically turned into a holiday to Port Douglas, apparently 'we' need that more than a new exhaust, they didn't list that as a feature when they released them.
I might be a little longer getting them fitted than first thought.
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well, ordered from Italy very late Sunday night, and now it's Thursday morning...and here it is
It's not significantly louder than stock, but I'm just subjectively judging - I didn't measure with a db meter. It doesn't have the mighty thunder of, say, a 1098 Streetfighter with full Termi system, or even my wife's 796 Monster with Arrows. It does seem to rev more willingly.
It's raining, so no test ride - I don't mind getting me or my bike wet, but wet roads require wet riding techniques, which do not allow for really testing power output and butt dynoing.
I'm taking a short break, then I'm going to swap the air filter.
Above all else, this exhaust is beautiful...if you're a carbon fiber guy (which I am).
It's not significantly louder than stock, but I'm just subjectively judging - I didn't measure with a db meter. It doesn't have the mighty thunder of, say, a 1098 Streetfighter with full Termi system, or even my wife's 796 Monster with Arrows. It does seem to rev more willingly.
It's raining, so no test ride - I don't mind getting me or my bike wet, but wet roads require wet riding techniques, which do not allow for really testing power output and butt dynoing.
I'm taking a short break, then I'm going to swap the air filter.
Above all else, this exhaust is beautiful...if you're a carbon fiber guy (which I am).
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installation notes for those doing their first Panigale swap (this was my first, and I always find step-by-step guides useful, so I'm passing it forward)
- the exhaust cans are held in by a front bracket, middle brackets, and a C-clamp connecting it to the rest of the pipes.
- removal could go in any order I guess. I removed the bolts with an 8mm socket from the bracket to detach the cans from the front bracket (which you remove after you've gotten the cans off). All brackets are held in by 6mm hex bolts
- middle brackets - you need a long hex wrench. I ended up using a torx bit on an extension bar, and used a 3/8" breaker bar. left rearset must come off in order to access the leftside bracket bolt. Rearsets also use 6mm hex bolts (convenient!)
- C-clamp comes off with a 10mm socket.
Installation is the reverse of disassembly.
- the middle brackets have to be installed. install them so they bend forwards. probably a good idea to use red loctite on the bolts too, which of course I'm only now thinking of.
- unbolt the front bracket from the cans. They'll spring apart a bit when you do. Install front bracket on bike.
- at this point I found it easiest to loosely attach one of the middle brackets, then install the C-clamp and attach the cans to the pipes. I then tightened that middle bracket and did the same to the other side.
- This last part was fun - pushing the cans in (remember, they sprang outwards) so they mate up with the bracket. Having a friend would definitely help, but me and a stream of profanity got the job done fine. Repeat on the other side.
reattach fairings and enjoy!
- the exhaust cans are held in by a front bracket, middle brackets, and a C-clamp connecting it to the rest of the pipes.
- removal could go in any order I guess. I removed the bolts with an 8mm socket from the bracket to detach the cans from the front bracket (which you remove after you've gotten the cans off). All brackets are held in by 6mm hex bolts
- middle brackets - you need a long hex wrench. I ended up using a torx bit on an extension bar, and used a 3/8" breaker bar. left rearset must come off in order to access the leftside bracket bolt. Rearsets also use 6mm hex bolts (convenient!)
- C-clamp comes off with a 10mm socket.
Installation is the reverse of disassembly.
- the middle brackets have to be installed. install them so they bend forwards. probably a good idea to use red loctite on the bolts too, which of course I'm only now thinking of.
- unbolt the front bracket from the cans. They'll spring apart a bit when you do. Install front bracket on bike.
- at this point I found it easiest to loosely attach one of the middle brackets, then install the C-clamp and attach the cans to the pipes. I then tightened that middle bracket and did the same to the other side.
- This last part was fun - pushing the cans in (remember, they sprang outwards) so they mate up with the bracket. Having a friend would definitely help, but me and a stream of profanity got the job done fine. Repeat on the other side.
reattach fairings and enjoy!
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Yes, I will be getting a before and after dyno done, this time with the CORRECT prep work being done, i.e. disconnecting the rear wheel speed sensor. That way, we will get a real-World idea of exactly what the slip-on and filter do for the bike.Hey Shilling, are you going to dyno before and after or not worry about it for this mod?
The cans I was getting have magically turned into a holiday to Port Douglas, apparently 'we' need that more than a new exhaust, they didn't list that as a feature when they released them.
I might be a little longer getting them fitted than first thought.
Cheers.
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I got 169 HP out of mine with the RB Module disconnected. I am gonna reconnect and dyno next month on a Dynojet Dyno.
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I think about 45min to pull the stock exhaust, as I didn't know what I was doing. I did that last night. This morning when the exhaust arrived, I probably spent no more than 30min putting it back on.
That's not counting time I spent cleaning the bottom of the oil pan and scrubbing out the insides of the fairings....
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well, installing the Sprint air filter was a fail. Apparently it needs a bracket - which was not supplied with the exhaust kit. I couldn't use the stock clips, as the Sprint filter is much thinner, so the clips would have to be longer to compensate.
but it was my first time taking the tank off, and it is probably the easiest thing one can do on the bike, with the notable exception of those two annoying breather hoses. Again, probably easier to reattach with a friend, but alone? That sucked.
Also, it helps to be low on gas The tank itself is very light.
But while the tank was off, I located the third screw that holds in the heat shield. I should now be able to remove it and install it without taking anything apart (yet to be tested however). I also liberally applied DEI Cool Tape to the inside of the subframe.
ok, now for a real test ride, now that the roads are dry
but it was my first time taking the tank off, and it is probably the easiest thing one can do on the bike, with the notable exception of those two annoying breather hoses. Again, probably easier to reattach with a friend, but alone? That sucked.
Also, it helps to be low on gas
The tank itself is very light.But while the tank was off, I located the third screw that holds in the heat shield. I should now be able to remove it and install it without taking anything apart (yet to be tested however). I also liberally applied DEI Cool Tape to the inside of the subframe.
ok, now for a real test ride, now that the roads are dry
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The airfilter I got from motowheels was a sprint as well and was a drop-in for the stock filter bracket. Sorry to hear yours needed something different.
I damaged the o-ring on the front injector and had to replace with a Viton Replacement.
I want to do the Gold Reflective stuff.
I damaged the o-ring on the front injector and had to replace with a Viton Replacement.
I want to do the Gold Reflective stuff.
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as long as I can get the bracket, it'll be fine.
btw, I managed to get the stock filter out, without removing the injectors and fuel lines, or the rubber gasket on top. The spring clips can be unclipped from the filter itself. Then, dealing with just the filter, you can wriggle the stock filter out.
The supplied Sprint filter is half as thick, so it goes in without a problem. I mean, I still need some fricking bracket to hold it in....
From my understanding all the normal p08 sprint filters fit without a bracket as a direct replacement. But the new Termi comes with the new p16 sprint filter which needs a bracket, you can see pictures of the 2 filters at the links below.
Sprint Filter P16 Ducati PanigaleDucati Race | Brock's Main Store
Sprint Filter P08 Panigale 899/ 1199/1299 | Brock's Main Store
Sprint Filter P16 Ducati PanigaleDucati Race | Brock's Main Store
Sprint Filter P08 Panigale 899/ 1199/1299 | Brock's Main Store
Hmmm... See the pic of the one that came with my Termis in this post:
http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/22320-anyone-running-new-termignoni-slip-ons-4.html#post217320
Looks like a P08 to me, which is supposedly a drop in OEM replacement. If Termi are shipping with filters that can't be installed without parts that are not included, that's a fail.
Agreed, yours looks like the p08 i bought for my pani, which is a easy drop in replacement, and if Termi includes a newer filter without all the mounting hardware it would be a total fail
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ok, sorry everyone - I'M A MORON!!
What I thought was the stock filter, is actually the filter assembly. I was mulling this bizarre situation over until I realized this.
Took the tank off again, which I'm now very good at. 5 minutes, as the tools were still out.
Removed the filter assembly the same way I did before. But to get a little more clearance, I unplugged the rear cylinder injector, and wiggled that baby out.
I then - surprise, surprise, pulled the stock paper filter out of this FRAME, inserted the Sprint filter, which dropped exactly right in. Reinstalled the filter assembly, got the tank back on, and all is well.
Except now it's raining again so I can't give it a spirited test just yet. But it is an exact fit drop in filter, no extra parts needed.
I apologize for any panic my stupidity may have caused....
What I thought was the stock filter, is actually the filter assembly. I was mulling this bizarre situation over until I realized this.
Took the tank off again, which I'm now very good at. 5 minutes, as the tools were still out.
Removed the filter assembly the same way I did before. But to get a little more clearance, I unplugged the rear cylinder injector, and wiggled that baby out.
I then - surprise, surprise, pulled the stock paper filter out of this FRAME, inserted the Sprint filter, which dropped exactly right in. Reinstalled the filter assembly, got the tank back on, and all is well.
Except now it's raining again so I can't give it a spirited test just yet. But it is an exact fit drop in filter, no extra parts needed.
I apologize for any panic my stupidity may have caused....
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Yea, its a bit tricky down inside the frame/ airbox area. I thought pulling the fuel rail would be easy, but turns out I damaged the rubber o-ring on the front shower injector.
Replaced with a real Viton O-Ring from a performance seal store here in Denver. The stock O-Ring is around $18. Got a pair for around $11. I also replaced the fuel line as well. Went with 5/8 and the clamps that are better than the screw type.
Replaced with a real Viton O-Ring from a performance seal store here in Denver. The stock O-Ring is around $18. Got a pair for around $11. I also replaced the fuel line as well. Went with 5/8 and the clamps that are better than the screw type.
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This is totally doable without pulling the fuel rail. Disconnecting the rear injector from the wiring harness gave me enough room, although the first time I did it I didn't do this.
I've always worked under the assumption that if you remove an injector, you have to replace the O-rings.
I've always worked under the assumption that if you remove an injector, you have to replace the O-rings.
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For the sake of full disclosure after having started this thread on the Termi slip-ons and after over thinking which exhaust I wouold go with, I finally broke down ang went with the Akrapovic full system from Ducati Omaha, It's the one listed for the 1199 and comes with no up-map or air filter, fitment is perfect on the 1299 alot lighter then stock also.
I was able to put around 100 miles this morning and noticed the bike running a bit cooler than usual even though the throttle is a bit twitchy at the lower RPMS, next up will be some kind of fueling upgrade.
I was able to put around 100 miles this morning and noticed the bike running a bit cooler than usual even though the throttle is a bit twitchy at the lower RPMS, next up will be some kind of fueling upgrade.
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