Anyone want to buy a 2020 Panigale WSBK?

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saccardo said:
Nah. Haven’t done that. Not my speed to do all of that. Quoted at 250+ at the wheel, 375# wet.

No specific schedule, as I don’t think one actually exists. The race teams have their own intervals of most of this (oil clutch pack change between each race/practice, motor tear down 2+ times a season depending on motor time/performance). No mention of bottom end rebuilds on the bike.
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Man I’m intrigued lol

Wanna trade it for a heavily modified $120k V4 25 Anniversario 916?

😂😂😂
 
Ducati must really want to get rid of its F20s and 21s. Blowing them out on fire sale! Seems like you have to shell out around £200k for one of these jobs (or half of what Steven spent on his bike… so far).

Would love to know what’s going on in the rear subframe. Is there is mass damper back there like the GP bike?
 
These are the silencer from the F20/21 this thing is crazy loud do you normally have noise restrictions at track days? With regards to maintenance the service intervals and replacement klm is listed in the corse catalogue, in WSBK they don't rebuild their engines they have an allocation for the year and engines ate sealed, moto America they might rebuild but the cost to do so is very high, an inlet valve for the V4R is $800 each! (AUD) by the time you do minimum you are half way to the cost of a new motor, if you rebuild it properly it's pretty much the same price.
 

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Bruce Wayne said:
These are the silencer from the F20/21 this thing is crazy loud do you normally have noise restrictions at track days? With regards to maintenance the service intervals and replacement klm is listed in the corse catalogue, in WSBK they don't rebuild their engines they have an allocation for the year and engines ate sealed, moto America they might rebuild but the cost to do so is very high, an inlet valve for the V4R is $800 each! (AUD) by the time you do minimum you are half way to the cost of a new motor, if you rebuild it properly it's pretty much the same price.
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At the tracks I’ve ridden there are no noise restrictions (COTA, road Atlanta, Barber). I did manage a couple of sessions at Laguna Seca by just backing off the throttle at the sound meter.

That said, it does scream! And what a lovely scream it is.

Re: rebuilds, I’m sure factory team doesn’t do rebuilds, i.e. Aruba, but I can guarantee that every other team that utilizes the bikes do, WSBK, BSB, MotoA, etc. I’ve met the man from Corse who is charged with the rebuilds for these motors. Then again, there are rebuilds and then there are rebuilds. 😉
 
saccardo said:
At the tracks I’ve ridden there are no noise restrictions (COTA, road Atlanta, Barber). I did manage a couple of sessions at Laguna Seca by just backing off the throttle at the sound meter.

That said, it does scream! And what a lovely scream it is.

Re: rebuilds, I’m sure factory team doesn’t do rebuilds, i.e. Aruba, but I can guarantee that every other team that utilizes the bikes do, WSBK, BSB, MotoA, etc. I’ve met the man from Corse who is charged with the rebuilds for these motors. Then again, there are rebuilds and then there are rebuilds. 😉
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Is it one of the HSBK Bikes?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
These are the silencer from the F20/21 this thing is crazy loud do you normally have noise restrictions at track days? With regards to maintenance the service intervals and replacement klm is listed in the corse catalogue, in WSBK they don't rebuild their engines they have an allocation for the year and engines ate sealed, moto America they might rebuild but the cost to do so is very high, an inlet valve for the V4R is $800 each! (AUD) by the time you do minimum you are half way to the cost of a new motor, if you rebuild it properly it's pretty much the same price.
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Looks essentially like the cans on my Sparks WSBK exhaust…for sure it’s loud, but glorious lol

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KarlKani said:
yes because Spark just used the AKRA WSBK factory exhaust design...
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There’s a few subtle differences, for example the Sparks seems to be using a narrowing at the can to create a little bit of back pressure in the system, that’s needed to not lose some lower rpm power, and they seemed to have balanced that well. Meaning just enough back pressure to keep the midrange solid while opening up the top a bit. Sparks also used better materials, specifically the Inconel headers.

The Akra WSBK may have a slight restriction in there somewhere too for the same reasons but they did it elsewhere in the system if they did. Maybe in the headers?

The Sparks was designed by a bunch of Italian engineering graduate students as a school project, who had access to some of the most advanced modeling software.

Having said all that, I suspects there’s very little difference between the two. Physics are the same for everybody, which is why all new cars are starting to look alike, airflow works the same regardless of manufacturer, so if everybody is optimizing it a lot of stuff starts to look the same.
 
The packaging constraints on the Panigale really limit the design. If you're going for an under belly style system, there's not too many ways to pull that off.
 
Steven31371 said:
There’s a few subtle differences, for example the Sparks seems to be using a narrowing at the can to create a little bit of back pressure in the system, that’s needed to not lose some lower rpm power, and they seemed to have balanced that well. Meaning just enough back pressure to keep the midrange solid while opening up the top a bit. Sparks also used better materials, specifically the Inconel headers.

The Akra WSBK may have a slight restriction in there somewhere too for the same reasons but they did it elsewhere in the system if they did. Maybe in the headers?

The Sparks was designed by a bunch of Italian engineering graduate students as a school project, who had access to some of the most advanced modeling software.

Having said all that, I suspects there’s very little difference between the two. Physics are the same for everybody, which is why all new cars are starting to look alike, airflow works the same regardless of manufacturer, so if everybody is optimizing it a lot of stuff starts to look the same.
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If tracks had no noise limits I’d love that Sparks WSBK system. It looks epic and I’m sure it sounds great as well.

Car design is really stifled now thanks to car-hating legislators. There’s no logic to a lot of it. Fatter A and B pillars to protect you in a crash… a crash that you’re more likely to have because you can now see bugger all. When I get in my classic car the visibility is wonderful. And don’t get me started on touch screens that require you to take your eyes off the road while you can’t press a button on your phone to answer a call, but presumably you could press a button on the touchscreen to answer that call. Idiocracy is in full effect.

I’m turning into a grumpy old man, although I might have always been like that. :rolleyes:
 
spooky said:
If tracks had no noise limits I’d love that Sparks WSBK system. It looks epic and I’m sure it sounds great as well.

Car design is really stifled now thanks to car-hating legislators. There’s no logic to a lot of it. Fatter A and B pillars to protect you in a crash… a crash that you’re more likely to have because you can now see bugger all. When I get in my classic car the visibility is wonderful. And don’t get me started on touch screens that require you to take your eyes off the road while you can’t press a button on your phone to answer a call, but presumably you could press a button on the touchscreen to answer that call. Idiocracy is in full effect.

I’m turning into a grumpy old man, although I might have always been like that. :rolleyes:
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You're just stating facts. Those kinds of decisions are being made and implemented by very narrow minded selfish ........ who don't actually care about ones well-being but try to push a narrative like they do so. Also another way to fine people n collect cash. Loud exhausts, no cell phone use. Now i hear they're trying to increase the loud noise fines exponentially. The push for silent EVs is getting bigger n bigger everywhere
 

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