Anyone want to buy a 2020 Panigale WSBK?

Jolly Roger V4 · Feb 11, 2023

Grinder in the trailer, I'm jealous..First class all the way!!!
250 plus at the wheel sounds a little high and overkill for sure..

Steven31371 · Feb 11, 2023

Jolly Roger V4 said:
Grinder in the trailer, I'm jealous..First class all the way!!!
250 plus at the wheel sounds a little high and overkill for sure..

The last thing my bike needs is more power lol

But I’d still take it haha

craig bush · Feb 11, 2023

Steven31371 said:
The last thing my bike needs is more power lol

But I’d still take it haha

Reminded me of this:

“If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower.”

- Mark Donahue

SuperDomestique · Feb 11, 2023

Ducati must really want to get rid of its F20s and 21s. Blowing them out on fire sale! Seems like you have to shell out around £200k for one of these jobs (or half of what Steven spent on his bike… so far).

Would love to know what’s going on in the rear subframe. Is there is mass damper back there like the GP bike?

Bruce Wayne · Feb 11, 2023

These are the silencer from the F20/21 this thing is crazy loud do you normally have noise restrictions at track days? With regards to maintenance the service intervals and replacement klm is listed in the corse catalogue, in WSBK they don't rebuild their engines they have an allocation for the year and engines ate sealed, moto America they might rebuild but the cost to do so is very high, an inlet valve for the V4R is $800 each! (AUD) by the time you do minimum you are half way to the cost of a new motor, if you rebuild it properly it's pretty much the same price.

saccardo · Feb 11, 2023

Bruce Wayne said:
These are the silencer from the F20/21 this thing is crazy loud do you normally have noise restrictions at track days? With regards to maintenance the service intervals and replacement klm is listed in the corse catalogue, in WSBK they don't rebuild their engines they have an allocation for the year and engines ate sealed, moto America they might rebuild but the cost to do so is very high, an inlet valve for the V4R is $800 each! (AUD) by the time you do minimum you are half way to the cost of a new motor, if you rebuild it properly it's pretty much the same price.

At the tracks I’ve ridden there are no noise restrictions (COTA, road Atlanta, Barber). I did manage a couple of sessions at Laguna Seca by just backing off the throttle at the sound meter.

That said, it does scream! And what a lovely scream it is.

Re: rebuilds, I’m sure factory team doesn’t do rebuilds, i.e. Aruba, but I can guarantee that every other team that utilizes the bikes do, WSBK, BSB, MotoA, etc. I’ve met the man from Corse who is charged with the rebuilds for these motors. Then again, there are rebuilds and then there are rebuilds.

SlowJoe · Feb 11, 2023

@saccardo send us the nudes already!!

Bruce Wayne · Feb 11, 2023

saccardo said:
At the tracks I’ve ridden there are no noise restrictions (COTA, road Atlanta, Barber). I did manage a couple of sessions at Laguna Seca by just backing off the throttle at the sound meter.

That said, it does scream! And what a lovely scream it is.

Re: rebuilds, I’m sure factory team doesn’t do rebuilds, i.e. Aruba, but I can guarantee that every other team that utilizes the bikes do, WSBK, BSB, MotoA, etc. I’ve met the man from Corse who is charged with the rebuilds for these motors. Then again, there are rebuilds and then there are rebuilds.

Is it one of the HSBK Bikes?

Steven31371 · Feb 11, 2023

craig bush said:
Reminded me of this:

“If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower.”

- Mark Donahue

And this:

“There’s never too much horsepower, just not enough traction.”

~Carroll Shelby

Steven31371 · Feb 11, 2023

Bruce Wayne said:
These are the silencer from the F20/21 this thing is crazy loud do you normally have noise restrictions at track days? With regards to maintenance the service intervals and replacement klm is listed in the corse catalogue, in WSBK they don't rebuild their engines they have an allocation for the year and engines ate sealed, moto America they might rebuild but the cost to do so is very high, an inlet valve for the V4R is $800 each! (AUD) by the time you do minimum you are half way to the cost of a new motor, if you rebuild it properly it's pretty much the same price.

Looks essentially like the cans on my Sparks WSBK exhaust…for sure it’s loud, but glorious lol

Jolly Roger V4 · Feb 12, 2023

Work of art right there!!

JohnSmith · Feb 12, 2023

Steven31371 said:
Looks essentially like the cans on my Sparks WSBK exhaust…for sure it’s loud, but glorious lol

View attachment 48255 View attachment 48256

yes because Spark just used the AKRA WSBK factory exhaust design...

SuperDomestique · Feb 12, 2023

Bruce Wayne said:
Is it one of the HSBK Bikes?

It’s could be Wyman’s old bike pre-HSBK (I think it was KMR) which I’m pretty sure wasn’t a full-fat F20 (at least per the videos)

Steven31371 · Feb 12, 2023

KarlKani said:
yes because Spark just used the AKRA WSBK factory exhaust design...

There’s a few subtle differences, for example the Sparks seems to be using a narrowing at the can to create a little bit of back pressure in the system, that’s needed to not lose some lower rpm power, and they seemed to have balanced that well. Meaning just enough back pressure to keep the midrange solid while opening up the top a bit. Sparks also used better materials, specifically the Inconel headers.

The Akra WSBK may have a slight restriction in there somewhere too for the same reasons but they did it elsewhere in the system if they did. Maybe in the headers?

The Sparks was designed by a bunch of Italian engineering graduate students as a school project, who had access to some of the most advanced modeling software.

Having said all that, I suspects there’s very little difference between the two. Physics are the same for everybody, which is why all new cars are starting to look alike, airflow works the same regardless of manufacturer, so if everybody is optimizing it a lot of stuff starts to look the same.

BP PanigaleV4S · Feb 12, 2023

The packaging constraints on the Panigale really limit the design. If you're going for an under belly style system, there's not too many ways to pull that off.

spooky · Feb 12, 2023

Steven31371 said:
There’s a few subtle differences, for example the Sparks seems to be using a narrowing at the can to create a little bit of back pressure in the system, that’s needed to not lose some lower rpm power, and they seemed to have balanced that well. Meaning just enough back pressure to keep the midrange solid while opening up the top a bit. Sparks also used better materials, specifically the Inconel headers.

The Akra WSBK may have a slight restriction in there somewhere too for the same reasons but they did it elsewhere in the system if they did. Maybe in the headers?

The Sparks was designed by a bunch of Italian engineering graduate students as a school project, who had access to some of the most advanced modeling software.

Having said all that, I suspects there’s very little difference between the two. Physics are the same for everybody, which is why all new cars are starting to look alike, airflow works the same regardless of manufacturer, so if everybody is optimizing it a lot of stuff starts to look the same.

If tracks had no noise limits I’d love that Sparks WSBK system. It looks epic and I’m sure it sounds great as well.

Car design is really stifled now thanks to car-hating legislators. There’s no logic to a lot of it. Fatter A and B pillars to protect you in a crash… a crash that you’re more likely to have because you can now see bugger all. When I get in my classic car the visibility is wonderful. And don’t get me started on touch screens that require you to take your eyes off the road while you can’t press a button on your phone to answer a call, but presumably you could press a button on the touchscreen to answer that call. Idiocracy is in full effect.

I’m turning into a grumpy old man, although I might have always been like that.

Paul G · Feb 12, 2023

Also the EV transition is total ........, its just not physically possible.

RickD996 · Feb 12, 2023

Paul G said:
Also the EV transition is total ........, its just not physically possible.

Sounds a bit defeatist to me.

No such thing as a problem, only an opportunity to provide a solution!

Whilst we may need more energy for cars, and bigger electrical demand at home, electrical demand is also decreasing. LED street lights, low energy TVs, fridges and domestic lighting, all leave room, for electric cars charging over night. Which, is fine for wind power, nuclear power, and coal/gas power.

Not to mention, hydrogen-electric cars are the real future.

Paul G · Feb 12, 2023

Rick, the EV thing is always going to be there but there are simply not enough minerals to make the transition. Seriously the numbers are mind boggling in terms of whats required in raw materials. Also the amount of Co2 saved is not that much over the life of a vehicle.

craig bush · Feb 12, 2023

Paul G said:
Also the EV transition is total ........…

The dawning of insight is a beautiful thing - especially for folks who tend toward authoritarian statism. Well done not blindly accepting the bs globalist narrative.

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