Aprilia RSV4R Factory versus 1199

Dylzduc said:

There's an article on this post somewhere, that is a good read. It's not me coming up with it, it's common knowledge the RSV4 is more often than not turning quicker lap times than the Pani in tests shootouts or whatever. If you're quicker on yours, that's fantastic. I don't know how if all things are equal, but if so, that is great.

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Which tracks are they quicker ? I know from racing one for a year and racing them now they struggle on bigger HP tracks against the Panigale and the BMW .
The sort of racing I do is by guys on realitivly standard bike so it's quite a good indicator on bikes flaws and weakness .
These bikes are all great bikes and all have positives and negatives there really isn't a bad one .

wilkson said:

My mates on RSV4s have had blown head gaskets had gearboxes replaced and throttle sensors crap themselves several times .
I had a hard time stopping my bike from leaking oil . You should get one .

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I have one..no problems for me. Hit and miss i guess, if you're pani is the better machine for you, then that's great. For me, RSV4 suits me better.....much better

wilkson said:

My mates on RSV4s have had blown head gaskets had gearboxes replaced and throttle sensors crap themselves several times .
I had a hard time stopping my bike from leaking oil . You should get one .

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lol

wilkson said:

Which tracks are they quicker ? I know from racing one for a year and racing them now they struggle on bigger HP tracks against the Panigale and the BMW .
The sort of racing I do is by guys on realitivly standard bike so it's quite a good indicator on bikes flaws and weakness .
These bikes are all great bikes and all have positives and negatives there really isn't a bad one .

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you are right,positives and negatives on all.not sure what level you're racing at...many factors, but you'll never convince me the pani is the better machine.The RSV4 struggling on high hp tracks against the pani..i don't buy it.I've ridden a stock bmw and the pani can only be compared on a spec sheet..which means nothing.The BMW walks the pani...badly...so i'll buy the bmw walkin on the ape a bit..but i don't buy the pani doin it.Besides racing is not about just long straights, and the rsv4 has been competitive right out of the box in world superbike and continues to be top dog.Every racing series will produce different results..i get that...but i don't see the 1199 ever winning a title ...maybe not even a race.Checa being hurt sucks, but they have a TON of work to do.

wilkson said:

My mates on RSV4s have had blown head gaskets had gearboxes replaced and throttle sensors crap themselves several times .
I had a hard time stopping my bike from leaking oil . You should get one .

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I guess i need the problem free pani...lol.

wilkson said:

Which tracks are they quicker ? I know from racing one for a year and racing them now they struggle on bigger HP tracks against the Panigale and the BMW .
The sort of racing I do is by guys on realitivly standard bike so it's quite a good indicator on bikes flaws and weakness .
These bikes are all great bikes and all have positives and negatives there really isn't a bad one .

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Proof is there...you need to just do a little lookin around.I'm not pullin any of this out of my arse.don't take it personal mate.

WSBK is not your bike or the OPs bike don't kid yourself . If that's how you choose your bike worth it's laughable .
My level of racing is a level that is a great assement of out of the box bikes raced by blokes like you and me wanting to go fast .

Dylzduc said:

Proof is there...you need to just do a little lookin around.I'm not pullin any of this out of my arse.don't take it personal mate.

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Did you offend me ? When did I take it personal ? Lol
I just asked a question out of curiosity . Do a guy a favour and point me in the right direction my search engine is broken .

Brad said:

Right on Brother

Of one thinks about it in any other terms, then IMO they're kidding themselves if they believe they can outguess the market in the future

Cheers

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I totally agree and understand that.... My reasoning for waiting for 2014 is financial and not me trying to second guess anything... Trading my 1199 would burn me in a way I am not prepared for right now.. waiting will improve the situation for me to a point that makes more sense..but believe me if I could get the numbers closer now I would do it..

Awesome info being shared here though... Both bikes are not perfect of that I am sure...

wilkson said:

Did you offend me ? When did I take it personal ? Lol
I just asked a question out of curiosity . Do a guy a favour and point me in the right direction my search engine is broken .

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Sorry, misunderstood you, my bad. Anyhow, I'm not lookin for a pissin match, a preferred bike could be debated for the next century. In closing though, if you took 10 guys, and gave them both bikes stock at a track and gave them 10 laps. I'd bet my left hanger that 8 of them would be faster on the Aprilia.
That's it for me on the topic, all the best with your Duc and glad it's workin for ya.

Debating with hypotheticals is just that . Your safe with your hanger .

wilkson said:

WSBK is not your bike or the OPs bike don't kid yourself . If that's how you choose your bike worth it's laughable .
My level of racing is a level that is a great assement of out of the box bikes raced by blokes like you and me wanting to go fast .

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Yeah, I've joked before that its like comparing the Camry or Impala the NASCAR guys are turning left in to the one in your neighbors driveway. You wouldn't want to base a purchase on that analysis either.

Dylzduc said:

Sorry, misunderstood you, my bad. Anyhow, I'm not lookin for a pissin match, a preferred bike could be debated for the next century. In closing though, if you took 10 guys, and gave them both bikes stock at a track and gave them 10 laps. I'd bet my left hanger that 8 of them would be faster on the Aprilia.
That's it for me on the topic, all the best with your Duc and glad it's workin for ya.

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But its not about that. . . just because a certain subset is faster doesn't necessarily equate to sales. if it was - then the BMW S1000 would have 8 out of 10 of /all/ sales out there - as I'm reasonably certain it would beat the Ape and Duc. . . So saying the majority would choose the ape is just plain incorrect - people choose bikes for a myriad of reasons and fastest on the track is but one of those elements to a minority subset.

Just like something like the porsche 911 Turbo (or GTR) would clean up most other cars on the track, but people still buy Ferraris, Lambos, etc because there is a bit more panache associated with it. . .

Here is an interesting thing - if someone were to offer a group of 10 people to ride any of these bikes for a month, free of charge what do you think the results would be ?

BMW S1000rr
Ducati Panigale R
Aprilia RSV4 APRC Factory

I'm reasonably certain that the RSV4 would come in last - but mainly because they don't know about the bike. It would probably be close but my guess is the pani would take the edge, followed by the s1000 and then the Aprilia.

Now, lets throw one more into the equation.

BMW S1000rr
Ducati Panigale R
Aprilia RSV4 APRC Factory
Ducati Desmo D16rr

I'm reasonably certain that the Desmo would win this overwhelmingly. . . But wait, you could bet not one but both of your hangers that people would be faster on any of the three previous bikes over the desmo. . Why would they choose one of the others ? its because people have certain desires/wants/cache's that are perhaps met by certain marques and not others. So purchases (outside of racing) aren't necessarily met by buying what you're fastest on . .

Stw said:

Awesome info being shared here though... Both bikes are not perfect of that I am sure...

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Agreed

IMO the moment one opts into one of these types of bikes. You are effectively locked in.
The only winners are the people buying these things used. Unless one highly values the street cred that's associated with owning the latest and greatest/most beautiful. Bask in the light while it's still shinning on you. You'll never get another chance.
I reckon we will have to live with these things until they're superseded with a new model. Maybe 5-6 years away.
They've probably been working on it for the last 12 months if truth be known.

My prediction is that after this design has run it's course, we will see a V4 for the next new design.
They will have learnt how to do it through a combination of the GP bike engine technology and the Superquadro engine.
They've already dipped their toe in the water with the D16

My recommendation for those that want their bikes totally sorted out. Buy the last of the model run when they release the SP version

Cheers

You got it Anthem, if someone knew the formula for the best bike, we would only have one. You throw a ZX10R in there, it it might win as well. You can find threads where people have owned both the Beemer/Ducati, and the APE/Ducati, and find arguments both directions, and reviews both directions. People are individuals, and all have their reasons for choosing bikes.

I just feel really, really sorry for the ones that don't buy a Ducati. And for myself it took all this time for me to choose one!

Dylzduc said:

you are right,positives and negatives on all.not sure what level you're racing at...many factors, but you'll never convince me the pani is the better machine.The RSV4 struggling on high hp tracks against the pani..i don't buy it.I've ridden a stock bmw and the pani can only be compared on a spec sheet..which means nothing.The BMW walks the pani...badly...so i'll buy the bmw walkin on the ape a bit..but i don't buy the pani doin it.Besides racing is not about just long straights, and the rsv4 has been competitive right out of the box in world superbike and continues to be top dog.Every racing series will produce different results..i get that...but i don't see the 1199 ever winning a title ...maybe not even a race.Checa being hurt sucks, but they have a TON of work to do.

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With a 50mm air restrictor they won't win any in WSBK. You need to look at what the Pani is doing at superstock with out the mandated handicap they put on the Pani. That's a real indication of how stock bikes compare to each other.

My HP4 arrived today, will be ready for pick-up Thursday, so my decision is made. Looks great in the flesh, can't wait to see how it rides. I always had a soft spot for S1kRR but this bike looks the business.

ScrapperX said:

With a 50mm air restrictor they won't win any in WSBK. You need to look at what the Pani is doing at superstock with out the mandated handicap they put on the Pani. That's a real indication of how stock bikes compare to each other.

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Personally any decision I make has absolutely nothing to do with laps times...

we all know why your Pani will take an extra nasty depreciation hit WAf

you may want to get a link pipe for your HP4 or even consider the Shorty Akra -- that exhaust barks like a mad dog! I was literally scaring bus drivers with it!

huge congrats! enjoy!

WAfatboy said:

My HP4 arrived today, will be ready for pick-up Thursday, so my decision is made. Looks great in the flesh, can't wait to see how it rides. I always had a soft spot for S1kRR but this bike looks the business.

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WAfatboy said:

My HP4 arrived today, will be ready for pick-up Thursday, so my decision is made. Looks great in the flesh, can't wait to see how it rides. I always had a soft spot for S1kRR but this bike looks the business.

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Trading in, or new addition?