Aprilia RSV4R Factory versus 1199

996racer · May 14, 2013

TACTICAL said:
I've waited 6 months for my white panigale to get in and now that it has I'm having second thoughts. Is the 1199 really that hard to live with? I plan on logging 10k miles a year on her but all the issues I'm hearing is kinda pushing me towards the ape/ bmw :/.....it'll be my only bike but yeah I'm on the fence.

Some posters are a little soft. My Tri has been nothing but perfect so far (850 mi) I dont notice the heat, as my 996R takes the cake for that and I guess i am just used to the fire-crotch feeling of Ducs. I had a 2001 RSVR (twin) and it was nice, but just not a Duc. I for one, like, the "not so user friendly" Duc SBK experience, if you want to chill while riding they have a Diavel for that. Otherwise, IMHO 1199 Panagale is awesome.

Stw · May 14, 2013

996racer said:
Some posters are a little soft. My Tri has been nothing but perfect so far (850 mi) I dont notice the heat, as my 996R takes the cake for that and I guess i am just used to the fire-crotch feeling of Ducs. I had a 2001 RSVR (twin) and it was nice, but just not a Duc. I for one, like, the "not so user friendly" Duc SBK experience, if you want to chill while riding they have a Diavel for that. Otherwise, IMHO 1199 Panagale is awesome.

Ok... so if your dash craps out.. again and again... some guys are on their 4th... How will you feel?? Or am I just soft??

996racer · May 14, 2013

Stw said:
Ok... so if your dash craps out.. again and again... some guys are on their 4th... How will you feel?? Or am I just soft??

The "soft" comment was aimed at the copious amount of people complaining about heat, if you are on your 4th dash i would sue the dealer, Ducati USA and Ducati S.p.a. and they will respond. Mention that your are a big influencer on the boards and at Ducati events. I bet they try and satisfy you.

You got a lemon, i would be pissed, but i would be agressive about fixing the prob.

Stw · May 14, 2013

996racer said:
The "soft" comment was aimed at the copious amount of people complaining about heat, if you are on your 4th dash i would sue the dealer, Ducati USA and Ducati S.p.a. and they will respond. Mention that your are a big influencer on the boards and at Ducati events. I bet they try and satisfy you.

You got a lemon, i would be pissed, but i would be agressive about fixing the prob.

I am not on my 4th dash... But If you read my thoughts and the reason for this thread you will see that my concerns are driven by Ducatis apparent failure to solve the dash issues... As far as being a big influencer on forums.. all I can say Lol...

yzf856 · May 14, 2013

I didn't read through every post here so don't flame me if it was already brought up but the Aprilia has the plastic tank issues just like the 1*98 bikes. Tanks are made by the same company just as is KTM's tanks. So plan on tank swelling problems.

Stw · May 14, 2013

yzf856 said:
I didn't read through every post here so don't flame me if it was already brought up but the Aprilia has the plastic tank issues just like the 1*98 bikes. Tanks are made by the same company just as is KTM's tanks. So plan on tank swelling problems.

Not since 2010... IIRC

EvoL · May 14, 2013

I have nothing to add I am just commenting here because the forum is unreadable now from the spam.

Hello friends!

Stw · May 14, 2013

EvoL said:
I have nothing to add I am just commenting here because the forum is unreadable now from the spam.

Hello friends!

Hey... So hows your day?? Lol

Stw · May 14, 2013

Duke · May 14, 2013

Rode both today - I currently have a 2013 S1000RR with all the trimmings. I really want the Panigale for various reasons and it's the best fit for me ergonomically out of the three. However, the RSV4 really surprised me. Kind of like a mixture of the other two - the smoothness of the BMW but with some of the Ducati character. Plus it's way cheaper than the Pani. I think I'll end up on an Italian bike but I'm really not sure which one now

All I know is there is no real bad choice of the three.

TACTICAL · May 14, 2013

996racer said:
Some posters are a little soft. My Tri has been nothing but perfect so far (850 mi) I dont notice the heat, as my 996R takes the cake for that and I guess i am just used to the fire-crotch feeling of Ducs. I had a 2001 RSVR (twin) and it was nice, but just not a Duc. I for one, like, the "not so user friendly" Duc SBK experience, if you want to chill while riding they have a Diavel for that. Otherwise, IMHO 1199 Panagale is awesome.

I still haven't test ridden the rsv4 but I feel if I get the bmw I'm compromising, the panigale is the bike that stirs by soul so to speak. I'm concerned with all the small issues. soft paint, screens frying. the bike being difficult to ride and having hyper sensitive steering. I guess what I'm getting at is I'm worried ill have buyers remourse after the honeymoon phase wears off.

bradp51 · May 14, 2013

TACTICAL said:
I still haven't test ridden the rsv4 but I feel if I get the bmw I'm compromising, the panigale is the bike that stirs by soul so to speak. I'm concerned with all the small issues. soft paint, screens frying. the bike being difficult to ride and having hyper sensitive steering. I guess what I'm getting at is I'm worried ill have buyers remourse after the honeymoon phase wears off.

I know screens are an issue for some ( a lot maybe) mine has fogged for a few minutes couple of times.
Yes I think the paint is a bit soft. So I am careful cleaning it.
My bike is not difficult to ride. I find it quite easy. It steers accurately.

A friend recently rode it and I rode his speed triple. He did not want to give my bike back and I could not wait to get my bike back.

I bought this bike without even being able to sit on one as I paid my deposit in November 11 after seeing it at a Motorcycle Show.

I hate these posts where people ask what bike to buy. Buy a Japanese bike if you want something will all the bugs ironed out.

A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad.

Stw · May 14, 2013

bradp51 said:
I know screens are an issue for some ( a lot maybe) mine has fogged for a few minutes couple of times.
Yes I think the paint is a bit soft. So I am careful cleaning it.
My bike is not difficult to ride. I find it quite easy. It steers accurately.

A friend recently rode it and I rode his speed triple. He did not want to give my bike back and I could not wait to get my bike back.

I bought this bike without even being able to sit on one as I paid my deposit in November 11 after seeing it at a Motorcycle Show.

I hate these posts where people ask what bike to buy. Buy a Japanese bike if you want something will all the bugs ironed out.

A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad.

Brad

"A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad"

This is your view... I personally think this attitude is old fashioned and may well have been a reasonable point of view 20 yrs ago...But now in the 21st century I think it more than fair to expect our $20k+ bikes to be well made and reliable..

The dash failure isn't a " bug"... Its a recurrent and highly dangerous failure..

Ducatis failure to solve this issue is very disappointing.. and having seen my previous Duc have very similar issues its hard to have faith they ever will... I for one refuse to be put in a position where I may be faced with having to pay for a new dash once the bike is out of warranty...

gnance · May 14, 2013

Stw said:
Brad

"A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad"

This is your view... I personally think this attitude is old fashioned and may well have been a reasonable point of view 20 yrs ago...But now in the 21st century I think it more than fair to expect our $20k+ bikes to be well made and reliable..

The dash failure isn't a " bug"... Its a recurrent and highly dangerous failure..

Ducatis failure to solve this issue is very disappointing.. and having seen my previous Duc have very similar issues its hard to have faith they ever will... I for one refuse to be put in a position where I may be faced with having to pay for a new dash once the bike is out of warranty...

wow....you are kind of condemning the bike rather than just riding it and enjoying it. Just put some silicone fish tank sealant around the dash seams and it should be good to go. It's pretty minor really....look at BMW...that bike needs a electronically imposed rev limiter during break in so the engine won't blow.....IMO a much bigger concern.

My zx10 had a recall to reinforce a weak crank case that could crack and leak oil. Again more of a concern than a dash fog. The mv agusta also has foggy dash. Any electronic display can .....

Stw · May 14, 2013

gnance said:
wow....you are kind of condemning the bike rather than just riding it and enjoying it. Just put some silicone fish tank sealant around the dash seams and it should be good to go. It's pretty minor really....look at BMW...that bike needs a electronically imposed rev limiter during break in so the engine won't blow.....IMO a much bigger concern.

Not at all... The 1199 is a brilliant bike... I am just expressing my heartfelt concerns about this issue... and how on earth does silicone sealant (which I would never do anyway) solve my right indicator failure??

Brad · May 14, 2013

bradp51 said:
I know screens are an issue for some ( a lot maybe) mine has fogged for a few minutes couple of times.
Yes I think the paint is a bit soft. So I am careful cleaning it.
My bike is not difficult to ride. I find it quite easy. It steers accurately.

A friend recently rode it and I rode his speed triple. He did not want to give my bike back and I could not wait to get my bike back.

I bought this bike without even being able to sit on one as I paid my deposit in November 11 after seeing it at a Motorcycle Show.

I hate these posts where people ask what bike to buy. Buy a Japanese bike if you want something will all the bugs ironed out.

A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad.

I personally don't find the bike difficult to ride, but i think it's difficult to ride "well" at the extreme end of the performance spectrum.

gnance · May 14, 2013

Stw said:
Not at all... The 1199 is a brilliant bike... I am just expressing my heartfelt concerns about this issue... and how on earth does silicone sealant (which I would never do anyway) solve my right indicator failure??

I didn't read all the details...just thought it was a foggy dash.

Still...mechanically sounds like the bike is doing ok. I would still be more worried about mechanical problems rather than turn signals and dash issues.

Again....get any Italian and german bike and same ........believe me

Japanese bikes can have it too.....but maybe a little less likely. Up to you how rare of a bike you wan to ride. Other option is to have 2! one Japanese and one Italian flare.

VAST · May 14, 2013

that may have been why Ducati scrapped frameless designs for motogp.

and beta testing dash versions a-f and more to come at this stage is inexcusable.

the Pani is still dealing with too many more issues than any of other major brands.

Brad said:
I personally don't find the bike difficult to ride, but i think it's difficult to ride "well" at the extreme end of the performance spectrum.

bradp51 · May 14, 2013

Stw said:
Brad

"A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad"

This is your view... I personally think this attitude is old fashioned and may well have been a reasonable point of view 20 yrs ago...But now in the 21st century I think it more than fair to expect our $20k+ bikes to be well made and reliable..

The dash failure isn't a " bug"... Its a recurrent and highly dangerous failure..

Ducatis failure to solve this issue is very disappointing.. and having seen my previous Duc have very similar issues its hard to have faith they ever will... I for one refuse to be put in a position where I may be faced with having to pay for a new dash once the bike is out of warranty...

I am sure they will sort the dash issue out. Just need enough people to complain about it. They have provided a fix for the heat issue.

I agree if the dash issue does not get fixed and is an issue after warranty then that would be bad. The dash must be a design issue and probably outsourced.

Styler · May 15, 2013

Stw said:
I think it more than fair to expect our $20k+ bikes to be well made and reliable..

The dash failure isn't a " bug"... Its a recurrent and highly dangerous failure..

Ducatis failure to solve this issue is very disappointing.. and having seen my previous Duc have very similar issues its hard to have faith they ever will... I for one refuse to be put in a position where I may be faced with having to pay for a new dash once the bike is out of warranty...

Indeed. Other than this one MAJOR issue; I'm all good with this wonderful bike. But it is a safety issue as well as a major PITA, and we need to present this to Ducati as a safety issue and a major PITA.

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