Aprilia RSV4R Factory versus 1199

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Stw said:
Not at all... The 1199 is a brilliant bike... I am just expressing my heartfelt concerns about this issue... and how on earth does silicone sealant (which I would never do anyway) solve my right indicator failure??
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I didn't read all the details...just thought it was a foggy dash.

Still...mechanically sounds like the bike is doing ok. I would still be more worried about mechanical problems rather than turn signals and dash issues.

Again....get any Italian and german bike and same ........believe me

Japanese bikes can have it too.....but maybe a little less likely. Up to you how rare of a bike you wan to ride. Other option is to have 2! one Japanese and one Italian flare.
 
that may have been why Ducati scrapped frameless designs for motogp.

and beta testing dash versions a-f and more to come at this stage is inexcusable.

the Pani is still dealing with too many more issues than any of other major brands.


Brad said:
I personally don't find the bike difficult to ride, but i think it's difficult to ride "well" at the extreme end of the performance spectrum.
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Stw said:
Brad


"A Ducati is a motorcycle for an enthusiast who takes the good with the bad"

This is your view... I personally think this attitude is old fashioned and may well have been a reasonable point of view 20 yrs ago...But now in the 21st century I think it more than fair to expect our $20k+ bikes to be well made and reliable..

The dash failure isn't a " bug"... Its a recurrent and highly dangerous failure..

Ducatis failure to solve this issue is very disappointing.. and having seen my previous Duc have very similar issues its hard to have faith they ever will... I for one refuse to be put in a position where I may be faced with having to pay for a new dash once the bike is out of warranty...
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I am sure they will sort the dash issue out. Just need enough people to complain about it. They have provided a fix for the heat issue.

I agree if the dash issue does not get fixed and is an issue after warranty then that would be bad. The dash must be a design issue and probably outsourced.
 
Stw said:
I think it more than fair to expect our $20k+ bikes to be well made and reliable..

The dash failure isn't a " bug"... Its a recurrent and highly dangerous failure..

Ducatis failure to solve this issue is very disappointing.. and having seen my previous Duc have very similar issues its hard to have faith they ever will... I for one refuse to be put in a position where I may be faced with having to pay for a new dash once the bike is out of warranty...
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Indeed. Other than this one MAJOR issue; I'm all good with this wonderful bike. But it is a safety issue as well as a major PITA, and we need to present this to Ducati as a safety issue and a major PITA.
 
I have owned both a 2010 RSV4 (non factory) and now have the 1199. both are unique in their own ways and quite different experiences. the Aprilia had a bit more finesse and was smoother and easier to ride on the street (which is where I spend all of my riding time) where the 1199 is a brute force type of ride.

my humble opinion to the OP says you would be taking a step back with the RSV4...it is essentially a 2009 design upgraded with electronics and tweaks here and there. It was and is a stunning motorcycle but unless your 1199 just pisses you off unmercifully I would keep it and sell or trade for a newly designed Aprilia if one is indeed on the horizon.

I also think that with Audi hopefully injecting some business leadership and money into Ducati that any real issues will get fixed. Most of the gripes have been addressed from what I can tell. And the 41T sprocket and new map make a huge difference in rideability. And I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but the Pani is just the best looking bike out there bar none IMO.
 
VAST said:
that may have been why Ducati scrapped frameless designs for motogp.
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When made from CF, the bike is actualy lighter with a CF frame than with beefed up magnesium/steel/aluminium monocoque. At least with current production techniques.
 
the motogp ducati frames are not carbon fiber. cf is difficult to design for certain flex parameters and so is not optimal from rider perspective.

996racer said:
When made from CF, the bike is actualy lighter with a CF frame than with beefed up magnesium/steel/aluminium monocoque. At least with current production techniques.
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Stw said:
The ultimate superbike test - | Motorcycle News | New Motorbikes | Buyers Guides | MCN

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Ok.. So Mv is 4th.... Whats gonna be 3rd???
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ttkarp said:
Update today...3rd is the topic of this thread!
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yep it was just posted...I just finished it....It sounds like they found the Ape a little flavorless. Easy to ride but it lacked emotion....

Ultimate Superbikes 3rd place: Aprilia RSV4 Factory - | Motorcycle News | New Motorbikes | Buyers Guides | MCN
 
Hmm....20-30 hp..at the rear wheel.. difference?? This I find very hard to believe...

Hate reviews..lol... You never really know if there is an agenda... But the above numbers just don't ring true to me...
 
honestly I was surprised....

Figured we would be seeing the Panigale....now Im left wondering who will be in 1st and 2nd.

If they are basing it all off of lap times, I am thinking the Panigale will be 2nd.
The HP4 is a streak of light on a track apparently....

If I didnt already have the Panigale its what I would have gotten. But alas I dont have the ability to own both....
 
perhaps it is also based on track -- the smoother track favors the Pani, the rougher tracks favor the better handling machines...we know the Ape beat out the HP4 and Pani in an Italian rag shoot out...buy the bike you like more, since 99% of you can't use all that HP, will never come close to using any of the bikes' full potential and won't be splitting fractions of seconds at higher levels of racing...
 
haggomyeggo said:
honestly I was surprised....

Figured we would be seeing the Panigale....now Im left wondering who will be in 1st and 2nd.

If they are basing it all off of lap times, I am thinking the Panigale will be 2nd.
The HP4 is a streak of light on a track apparently....

If I didnt already have the Panigale its what I would have gotten. But alas I dont have the ability to own both....
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Well Obviously I cant speak for your likes or dislikes..but I was disappointed by the S1000..It sure didnt lack top end..but It reminded of a Honda VTec car.. you have to rev the balls off it to get any grunt and that gets old really fast...
I was looking at the Ape as I was thinking it may well have the best of both worlds..some lower end punch and then some exciting high end thrills too...???
 
Stw said:
Well Obviously I cant speak for your likes or dislikes..but I was disappointed by the S1000..It sure didnt lack top end..but It reminded of a Honda VTec car.. you have to rev the balls off it to get any grunt and that gets old really fast...
I was looking at the Ape as I was thinking it may well have the best of both worlds..some lower end punch and then some exciting high end thrills too...???
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i looked at it like this...if I wanted the fastest in a straight line, pretty comfy on the street and cool electronics, yet looks ugly and its kinda emotionless then i would go with S1kRR

The Panigale oozes style and looks and the electrics are better(you dont feel them cutting in with the duc, I did with the BMW) even though i dont have ABS. I have had my Duc for 3 days before fork seals were leaking and the buttons stopped working. so i am a little bent out of shape on the duc right now...
Look at my sig and you will see I have a soft spot for the Vtwin so Duc it was. and at heart I am happy with my choice im just going crazy not being able to ride with nice weather.....

but MV Agusta's are just cool...Would love to own an older Senna edition some day....something about how those 4 exhaust ends look.....
 
Well it sounds like you have the right bike... Hopefully soon all will be well with it again.. :)
 
what is this "emotions" in modern-day bikes? it appears that emotions = imperfections and glitches which one anthropomorphizes. as such, the Pani certainly has the competition beat hands down.



haggomyeggo said:
i looked at it like this...if I wanted the fastest in a straight line, pretty comfy on the street and cool electronics, yet looks ugly and its kinda emotionless then i would go with S1kRR

The Panigale oozes style and looks and the electrics are better(you dont feel them cutting in with the duc, I did with the BMW) even though i dont have ABS. I have had my Duc for 3 days before fork seals were leaking and the buttons stopped working. so i am a little bent out of shape on the duc right now...
Look at my sig and you will see I have a soft spot for the Vtwin so Duc it was. and at heart I am happy with my choice im just going crazy not being able to ride with nice weather.....
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All the tests that I have read over the years have always shown the Apes power to be 3-4 more than the R1. That's usually giving up 15-25 on the other bikes. It would be a great track package BUT what would it cost to get at least another 20+hp out of it to at least be in the mid 170s?
 
stock 2013 Factory is 180hp. with pipe 6-9hp increase. take 25% of price difference bet it and Pani R and invest into light engine mods = 190+hp and better handling, electronics, etc.

Twistedracer said:
All the tests that I have read over the years have always shown the Apes power to be 3-4 more than the R1. That's usually giving up 15-25 on the other bikes. It would be a great track package BUT what would it cost to get at least another 20+hp out of it to at least be in the mid 170s?
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VAST said:
stock 2013 Factory is 180hp. with pipe 6-9hp increase. take 25% of price difference bet it and Pani R and invest into light engine mods = 190+hp and better handling.
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Perhaps we should use AR's dyno??:cool:
 
VAST said:
what is this "emotions" in modern-day bikes? it appears that emotions = imperfections and glitches which one anthropomorphizes. as such, the Pani certainly has the competition beat hands down.
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i think of emotion as the relationship of you to the bike or the car.

I liken it to Top Gear UK's feelings about Alfa Romeo's......

I agree with your Emotions=imperfections....lol
going out and starting and running all the time is boring....lol
 

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