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I think we're all rooting for you to see great peak numbers. I just don't think it's debate able at this point that the superiority claims made by AR over Termi in terms of both performance and heat are questionable (and most likely untrue) based on your experience thus far. Even copiya and yearone, who have seen good numbers, can't claim that the performance they've seen couldn't have been achieved with a perfectly tuned Termi system. I feel bad that you'll have close to 5k invested in what is essentially a cosmetic upgrade.
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This guy Rich is amazing, "previously stated" maybe but "previously proven" come on dude seriously! 
Your claims and empty promises are just impossible to swallow.
On another post a company in Seattle called SPG was mentioned and their web site claim up to 15bhp increase with flashing the ECU alone! No special inconel or is that incompetent exhaust system required.
That company did not diss its opponents and had a realistic disclaimer at the bottom of the page.
spgseattle.com is the site for those interested by the way.
Your claims and empty promises are just impossible to swallow.
On another post a company in Seattle called SPG was mentioned and their web site claim up to 15bhp increase with flashing the ECU alone! No special inconel or is that incompetent exhaust system required.
That company did not diss its opponents and had a realistic disclaimer at the bottom of the page.
spgseattle.com is the site for those interested by the way.
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Gavin - I meant whether he is affiliated or not, that's all. Dosen't change the claims/numbers, which are impressive of course.
Like anything in life, if you purchase a product based soley on the manufacture's claims, you are open to disappoint. If you thoroughly research independent owners/reviewers first, you will have a more garanteed experience.
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Exactly...this is why this thread is important...
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If AR are looking to maintain any semblance of credibility here then they should just refund the guy.... I mean if this a one off freakishly bad result the whats the problem????
Far easier to claim that dyno's, dyno tuners, wind/air flow, and thermometers in the UK are just superior to those in Perth. Nothing to do with the product. Who's up for a group buy?
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Whilst I'd generally agree with your point about buying solely on manufacturers claims, me, you and a few other here put down a large amount of cash for a Panigale on just that basis
Lets not get hung up on refunds, all said and done I really don't give a .... about the money, its now more a point of principle.
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Far easier to claim that dyno's, dyno tuners, wind/air flow, and thermometers in the UK are just superior to those in Perth. Nothing to do with the product. Who's up for a group buy?
Is the group buy for the pipes or the Dyno??
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Whilst I'd generally agree with your point about buying solely on manufacturers claims, me, you and a few other here put down a large amount of cash for a Panigale on just that basis
Lets not get hung up on refunds, all said and done I really don't give a .... about the money, its now more a point of principle.
That's an awesome point! That's why everyone here was so pissed when the comparisons began coming in and the Pani kept getting crushed by the S1000R. Doesn't make the 1199 a bad bike by any means, just not the "checkmate" as promised! This issue is exactly the same. Nothing personal, nothing to be offended by, just NOT what was claimed by the manufacturer. We all love the bike and you'll love the AR once it's sorted.
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Guys, lets let WAF decide what he wants to do here, not what we would do. I's up to him and it's getting pretty heated here, let's see what happens.
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Guys, lets let WAF decide what he wants to do here, not what we would do. I's up to him and it's getting pretty heated here, let's see what happens.
I thought we were doing rather well up to this point with a couple of exceptions
I just thought of another bit of kit I'm going to need to buy - I am going to see if I can find a wind meter to measure the air speed the Bunbury dyno room.
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I thought we were doing rather well up to this point with a couple of exceptions
I just thought of another bit of kit I'm going to need to buy - I am going to see if I can find a wind meter to measure the air speed the Bunbury dyno room.
But you should not have to if you are getting the 180s. I forgot about that quote. I really do believe Rich got all his numbers and isn't making them up. He just needs to be VERY clear, this is what he got, and you should get these under the exact same conditions, but not garanteed. If I ever buy a pipe, it would be the Akra, but just for the Ti/looks/sound. I would not notice a 5-10% difference, nor does this bike need that.
Are we now focused on peak HP or the improvements to be made by tuning only , by AR exhaust only , by AR exhaust and tuning by Termi slips and tuning?
A couple of days ago this thread was headed in a positive direction not it has again degraded, this is very disappointing.
There are other tuners that claim significant increased by tuning only what does that say about the tuning that has been done thus far? Or, could this be just differences in dyno setup and environment.
Anything is possible lets wait and see and avoid the unpleasant accusations.
A couple of days ago this thread was headed in a positive direction not it has again degraded, this is very disappointing.
There are other tuners that claim significant increased by tuning only what does that say about the tuning that has been done thus far? Or, could this be just differences in dyno setup and environment.
Anything is possible lets wait and see and avoid the unpleasant accusations.
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Will pick this up in the morning. Rich sent me a valid point about the air flow issue. The Termi slips run on stock headers that are much more restrictive than the AR racing exhaust. In those circumstances airflow could be a deciding issue.
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Couldn't the same be said for the full Termi system then?
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Oh man . I am sorry to hear about your troubles WAF, I truly am.
. I am sorry to hear about your troubles WAF, I truly am.Similar threads
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