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Stw said:
The only "unpleasantness" has been generated by AR..and his fan boys.. everyone else has been supportive of Wafs efforts to get this set up to give him what was claimed..
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You simply don't get it, so forget it.....
 
ttkarp said:
You simply aren't very creative on your responses, so forget it:rolleyes:
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I'm here to get information and don't need the games or distractions with name calling an accusations. So apologies if my responses are not fun/creative enough for you, this is not some kind of game for me.

We need to respect each other and acknowledge differences in opinions and avoid the accusations and personal attacks.

I don't need to accuse Rich or anyone else of being deceitful, i would be within my rights if I bought his product and felt wronged, in which case i'd take it up personally with him or write a review.

It seems many are accusing that don't have the product . I'm simply interested in the outcome/results and hope the OP achieve the performance he's expecting.
 
VAST said:
save your money! donate to a good cause! this is a waste of time!

read my previous: pani needs back pressure, AR straight pipe. at 350mph diff story.

edit: or send me money for saving you all money.
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You again????:confused:
 
sifubs said:
I'm here to get information and don't need the games or distractions with name calling an accusations. So apologies if my responses are not fun/creative enough for you, this is not some kind of game for me.

We need to respect each other and acknowledge differences in opinions and avoid the accusations and personal attacks.

I don't need to accuse Rich or anyone else of being deceitful, i would be within my rights if I bought his product and felt wronged, in which case i'd take it up personally with him or write a review.

It seems many are accusing that don't have the product . I'm simply interested in the outcome/results and hope the OP achieve the performance he's expecting.
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This thread if packed full of valuable information. Far more than if NO ONE questioned the marketing claims by AR. The vast majority of information learned about this product has been shared by the manufacturer only after their results were called into question. There have been no personal attacks on AR. If questioning the validity of data is viewed as a personal attack, then perhaps people shouldn't be in business. Consumers have every right to know if marketing claims are accurate, and if so, how to accomplish those results.
 
ttkarp said:
This thread if packed full of valuable information. Far more than if NO ONE questioned the marketing claims by AR. The vast majority of information learned about this product has been shared by the manufacturer only after their results were called into question. There have been no personal attacks on AR. If questioning the validity of data is viewed as a personal attack, then perhaps people shouldn't be in business. Consumers have every right to know if marketing claims are accurate, and if so, how to accomplish those results.
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Well said Sir!! No agenda here....just truth seekers...
 
Stw said:
As it is the specific bike/Ecu we are talking about .. then does this not apply to termis or any other pipe as well??? Seems to be that whilst peak numbers may change with this Ram Air that Waf did was a back to back (apples to apples) comparo AR to Termi... using the same parameters and yet he suffered a loss of power..
In truth this whole debacle is ridiculous.. AR pipe doesnt do as claimed... seems that simple to me...and all the excuses have now worn very thin..

Buy this pipe for looks and/or sound...but NOT for power..
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Stw, You are correct, it should be applied to all systems "apples to apples". I know that with the Termi full system on all the bikes we have dynoed showed a consistant 169HP on the rear wheel when we didn't supply the air down the intake and all showed 185+ HP when we did supply the air down the intake. What was interesting that the stock headers showed more (172 hp) than the termi without air being supplied. When we put air down the ram air the stock headers went to 176 ish but it way less than the Termi full system at 185+. We haven't dynoed an AR like WAF is doing but he could be experiencing what we have seen between the stock headers and Termi full system.
 
VAST said:
and if you draw a pentagram around your dyno, then you will get even more HP. if you use chicken blood for said pentagram, it'll be a touch more HP. human blood yields even greater HP.

pentagram in human blood with gale hurricane winds yields unrivaled HP. add in an active zombie holocaust and your pani will fly like a jet plane!
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And if you want to believe that it's your right.
 
ttkarp said:
The main question is, even if WAF gets the results, do you have dyno tuners in your area that have 150 mph winds and will warm the bike up for two hours for you etc while tuning it? And how much us THAT going to cost? All for similar results to everything else out there.
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Most dyno fans blow that fast. It just needs to be directed into the ram air duct and not the radiators as in his pictures.
 
This all brings me back to one of my first posts asking how AR got the results.

The AR system is of similar or same diameter as the standard system according to Rich when talking about heat shields. Definitely not a 70mm diameter like the Termi.

Back pressure is altered by length and the number of bends and the radius of the bend. Plus the diameter and then lastly baffles.

While you may not get peak torque or BHP until you get the ram air effect it is more than reasonable to expect some noticeable gains in mid range and BHP along the way without the ram air.

It was just a simple question with no malice at all that seemed to elicit the hostility from Rich with the initial name calling when I and others were labelled TROLLS.

*This system is a farce.
*This system is not a straight pipe but simply one that is less restricted than standard.
*The Termi full system does give immediate bolt on gains without dyno time or aftermarket tuning
*The AR system does not!
*RAM AIR is not new technology and has never caused such a fuss in the past. Yes I do acknowledge that it makes a significant difference at the top end, BUT ONLY AT THE TOP END.
*There have been many fuel injected bikes with RAM AIR and while they all have there intricacies it will again only be at the very top end that the air speed is relevant.
*The Dyno experts working on WAFs bike said with nothing to gain from the opinion that he would have got better results from the flipping SLIP ONs and a tune alone!

All those chipping in late with an opinion would be wise to read all posts from the start before jumping on the FANBOY bandwagon! JUST SAYIN!
 
Gavin D said:
This all brings me back to one of my first posts asking how AR got the results.

The AR system is of similar or same diameter as the standard system according to Rich when talking about heat shields. Definitely not a 70mm diameter like the Termi.

Back pressure is altered by length and the number of bends and the radius of the bend. Plus the diameter and then lastly baffles.

While you may not get peak torque or BHP until you get the ram air effect it is more than reasonable to expect some noticeable gains in mid range and BHP along the way without the ram air.

It was just a simple question with no malice at all that seemed to elicit the hostility from Rich with the initial name calling when I and others were labelled TROLLS.

*This system is a farce.
*This system is not a straight pipe but simply one that is less restricted than standard.
*The Termi full system does give immediate bolt on gains without dyno time or aftermarket tuning
*The AR system does not!
*RAM AIR is not new technology and has never caused such a fuss in the past. Yes I do acknowledge that it makes a significant difference at the top end, BUT ONLY AT THE TOP END.
*There have been many fuel injected bikes with RAM AIR and while they all have there intricacies it will again only be at the very top end that the air speed is relevant.
*The Dyno experts working on WAFs bike said with nothing to gain from the opinion that he would have got better results from the flipping SLIP ONs and a tune alone!

All those chipping in late with an opinion would be wise to read all posts from the start before jumping on the FANBOY bandwagon! JUST SAYIN!
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Well said, with one caveat. I don't think the system is a farce. It does offer weight savings, as well as different (subjective) looks. I think the claims of performance and heat superiority made by the company remain the main issue here. That appears to be the farce.
 

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