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I had stock and replaced with AR
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I'm sure all tuners are not created equal, but WAF had tuneboy himself working on his bike. So, I don't think we can chalk that one up to operator error.
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Sorry, was referring to the exhaust melting the fairing if that wasn't clear.
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My bad. You were clear after a re-read!
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AR admitted to fairing problems, and starting including special tape, so there is a real issue.
Both AR systems tested in this thread had two baffles fitted.
I would like to get Copiya's bike back to do some tests with one and none.
No charge to him, just a test.
The results AR published are based on the bad termi mapping, Todd confirmed that the Termi slip-on system made more power without the up-map, then Ducati updated the tune in the ECU to fix this.
All tests here compare the corrected Termi mapping.
The air pressure sensor on the Panigale is in the dash, this is why it is important to tune with the wheel speed disconnected. Most other makes of motorcycle have the barometric pressure sensor in the airbox to correct for ram air.
If wheel speed is disconnected the only difference blowing air will do is to increase the power figure, this in my opinion will be the case for all exhausts tested.
I would like to get Copiya's bike back to do some tests with one and none.
No charge to him, just a test.
The results AR published are based on the bad termi mapping, Todd confirmed that the Termi slip-on system made more power without the up-map, then Ducati updated the tune in the ECU to fix this.
All tests here compare the corrected Termi mapping.
The air pressure sensor on the Panigale is in the dash, this is why it is important to tune with the wheel speed disconnected. Most other makes of motorcycle have the barometric pressure sensor in the airbox to correct for ram air.
If wheel speed is disconnected the only difference blowing air will do is to increase the power figure, this in my opinion will be the case for all exhausts tested.
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So any test Waf now does are really pointless?? In other words you guys have done everything you can in real world to extract all the power you can and any further finessing and "gains" are really a false positive??
Am I understanding you correctly??
No, my ducati dealer/mechanic has been in the biz while he was in the womb lol. He's a really great guy and couldn't do anything about it as it was just how the AR mounted. There is literally no way to move it. It sat really high and made a contact with a large area. I've attached photo's.
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Now we are starting to get some where.
Test, test, test...This kind of offer reminds me of the time I offered my bike instructor to take my then brand new Panigale for a spin in the middle of one of his classes. He said, "Well I can't say no to that" and went for a ride! Hey at least he had his priorities straight.....poor students.
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It was just reflective heat tape. I even layered on like 5 more layers. And it do anything but melt to my AR exhaust and I can kinda scrape it off but it's burned in. It scorched a chunk in my fairing.
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I thought they included tape originally, but then began to include "extra" tape as a precaution? Maybe I misread. But still, if I install a product and don't check to ensure that there is sufficient clearance, who's to blame?
I've seen Porsches and BMWs with aftermarket exhausts that were installed in too close proximity to rear valances/bumpers and the result was melted plastic or burned carbon. This was due to physical contact and not fireballs and such. Exhaust components shift from vibration and expand and contract when heated and cooled. That should always be kept in mind. If a product does not fit correctly, an installer/technician should remedy the condition or remove the defective part and definitely inform the owner of a problem or potential problem. Mechanics simply install/hack and send you on your way.
Totally unrelated but this is why I love Akrapovic's installation manuals. They recommend having the installation performed by "someone with sufficient knowledge of exhaust systems." Clearly Ducati could learn a thing or two from them as well...
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I think you should just sue AR, that seems to be their answer to things they don't like.
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it appears that AR owes you a new fairing. not that i'm intimating litigious innuendo
and i deduced INCONEL may have just run cool enough?
and i deduced INCONEL may have just run cool enough?
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It doesn't look that bad though and I can see the entire length of the pipe. I do also have this to add. This mofo is HOT! The heat radiating from the loop hurts. It doesn't heat your butt but on the outer portion of your thighs. The heat was irritating me so much I didn't feel the heat from the rear cylinder head. Today's weather was 60-68F and if I was going at least 60+ and had temps around 170F or below I didn't feel it. City riding is not fun. Sitting in traffic I had to put my toes on the right peg and lift of my thigh so I couldn't feel it so much.
Not sure if I remember him saying the Full Termi heat shield fit it? But a heat shield is definitely needed and I let him know that.
LOL, suing is overrated.
it appears that AR owes you a new fairing. not that i'm intimating litigious innuendo
and i deduced INCONEL may have just run cool enough?
Read my previous post heh. Inconel cools down really fast I'll give it that but run cool? Nope. I'd say if it had a heat shield it'd be on par with stock heat.
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Understood. I am sure he is a great guy and has many years of experience. But if there was a clearance issue, why would he just let you leave with it pressing against the fairing. Even with a bad fitting exhaust, remove it if there was a clearance issue and contact the manufacturer...
I'm just looking at this logically. Spend $3.5K on a part that fits incorrectly, then leave it to cause damage to another part valued at ~$1K... Doesn't make sense..
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It doesn't look that bad though and I can see the entire length of the pipe. I do also have this to add. This mofo is HOT! The heat radiating from the loop hurts. It doesn't heat your butt but on the outer portion of your thighs. The heat was irritating me so much I didn't feel the heat from the rear cylinder head. Today's weather was 60-68F and if I was going at least 60+ and had temps around 170F or below I didn't feel it. City riding is not fun. Sitting in traffic I had to put my toes on the right peg and lift of my thigh so I couldn't feel it so much.
Not sure if I remember him saying the Full Termi heat shield fit it? But a heat shield is definitely needed and I let him know that.
The original claim was less heat with Inconel then stainless. Which is totally untrue, it just cools off faster because it doesn't retain as much heat, that is one of the reasons it is good as an exhaust pipe. AR did say they would supply a heat shield if ncessary (ha), but remember, there are no mounting holes, so I am not sure how they will attach it to the bike
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