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DV4 · Feb 3, 2023

Why would a trackday rider need to slide the rear, regardless of electronic pixies its playing with fire imho. Sure the rear steps out occasionally and backing it in is doable but be prepared for a few offs.

Steven31371 · Feb 3, 2023

Paul G said:
Why would a trackday rider need to slide the rear, regardless of electronic pixies its playing with fire imho. Sure the rear steps out occasionally and backing it in is doable but be prepared for a few offs.

We’ll partly because it’s fun, the trick is to learn it just like everything else on these bikes, gradually and slowly.

The 1st time I did it was an accident, but I surprised myself with muscle memory from my childhood and teenage years kicking in and throttled out of it,

Next session I did a few tiny slides on purpose, then took the Gixxer out to a huge empty parking lot and practiced a few more, next track day I’m at a new track that I’ve never been to so I probably won’t try it, but after that I’ll gradually practice longer and more controlled slides.

The fastest guys are the ones riding there bikes at the limit, if you don’t get comfortable managing the bike when it’s gone past it’s limit you won’t ever be comfortable taking it to its limit. Nor should you because you might panic and let up on the throttle and high side.

BP PanigaleV4S · Feb 3, 2023

Jolly Roger V4 said:
That boy needs more than a latte, latte with Percoset maybe??

For the record, he has invoked Fabio, Pecco and now MM.

I'm not too sure what posting a gif of MM saving a highside then highsiding violently has to do with someone writing that they prefer to lowside instead of highside.

SuperDomestique · Feb 3, 2023

Steven31371 said:
SD, please don’t take this as some kind of dig at you, I’m genuinely curious?

Do you go to the track? Like regularly?

Most of your responses seem like they are coming from someone whose watched a lot of videos and follows the sport closely but haven’t actually done this, at least not much.

Either that or you’re just different man lol

Because you’re a good judge of trackday pedigree? This coming from a guy who thinks he’s a demon on the brakes yet can’t figure out how to get in a proper tuck down the straight and is Casey Stoner on exit. Gimme a ....... break

BP PanigaleV4S · Feb 3, 2023

Fabio, Pecco, MM and now Stoner have been invoked. The forum will crash if this keeps up.

Steven31371 · Feb 3, 2023

SuperDomestique said:
Because you’re a good judge of trackday pedigree? This coming from a guy who thinks he’s a demon on the brakes yet can’t figure out how to get in a proper tuck down the straight and is Casey Stoner on exit. Gimme a ....... break

Oh no, I’m still slow as ...., but I am more aggressive on the brakes than everyone else in the intermediate group. I’m also at the track trying to get better every weekend I can and have no ego about asking noob questions from guys who’ve been actually doing this for a long time and are better at it than me. The track is a hard place to have a misplaced ego, because the times don’t lie. So I set that aside after the 1st day lol

Also, you just deflected to me instead of answering the question. I’m genuinely curious, not attacking you. If you feel insecure about the question that’s on you.

I’m just saying, you sound like a guy who doesn’t even go to the track, you do sound like an armchair quarterback whose an expert in the game from the sidelines though. And you argue for the sake of argueing like the guys who call into those sports talk shows.

Am I wrong?

I apologize if so lol

DV4 · Feb 3, 2023

SuperDomestique said:
Because you’re a good judge of trackday pedigree? This coming from a guy who thinks he’s a demon on the brakes yet can’t figure out how to get in a proper tuck down the straight and is Casey Stoner on exit. Gimme a ....... break

Win that trackday!

youpaiyou · Feb 3, 2023

Turn 12…. It’s a mo fo.

double0 · Feb 3, 2023

Now that's some nice clean smooth lines. At those corner speeds, all it takes is the smallest of mistakes and off you go. Looks like I would get lapped by the 3rd or 4th lap HA. I'm jealous for sure. My balls aren't big enough to ride like that.

Steven31371 · Feb 3, 2023

youpaiyou said:
Turn 12…. It’s a mo fo.

Was talking to Brian about all the local tracks, he said Chuckwalla was the hardest track to learn in this part of the world. Can’t wait to try it, looks like a much more flowing track than the stop/start kinda stuff we got at Autoclub Speedway.

RickD996 · Feb 3, 2023

Steven31371 said:
Not to 2nd guess him here but if he had stayed in the throttle a bit longer on the high side he might have avoided it.

With the best will in the world, I'm pretty sure MM knows what he's doing, how to ride a bike and those tyres, and is probably the best person ever, at saving any slide

Steven31371 · Feb 3, 2023

RickD996 said:
With the best will in the world, I'm pretty sure MM knows what he's doing, how to ride a bike and those tyres, and is probably the best person ever, at saving any slide

Agreed, and pretty easy to critique him while he’s the one riding with 125 pounds less mass, stickier tires that I’ll ever run on, a bike that’s 40% more powerful, and going twice as fast around that corner than I’ll probably ever go

Jolly Roger V4 · Feb 4, 2023

Chuckwalla has more corners, less top speed, elevation and less time to rest. Very busy track and not easy to learn but fun and flowing once you do!!

Jolly Roger V4 · Feb 4, 2023

Be there tomorrow!!

Jolly Roger V4 · Feb 4, 2023

youpaiyou said:
Turn 12…. It’s a mo fo.

Nice times man. Yeah turn 12 will get ya! I was happy breaking the 2:00's

Steven31371 · Feb 4, 2023

Jolly Roger V4 said:
Chuckwalla has more corners, less top speed, elevation and less time to rest. Very busy track and not easy to learn but fun and flowing once you do!!

Looks like you would do the entire course in 2nd and 3rd? Do you ever touch 4th gear there?

I’m running one rear tooth longer of a final drive than stock for running at Fontana, but might go one tooth shorter than stock since the majority of my track days will be at Chuck this year.

youpaiyou · Feb 4, 2023

2nd through 4th gear for me, but I’m on a smaller bike than you.

They have announced (again) that the second racetrack at Buttonwillow will be ready later this year. That should be fun.

JohnSmith · Feb 4, 2023

Jolly Roger V4 said:
Chuckwalla has more corners, less top speed, elevation and less time to rest. Very busy track and not easy to learn but fun and flowing once you do!!

Also, I am not used to riding I the desert so for me its really weird for there to be nothing around the track to use as dum dum markers, but also there is a very different take on depth perception when the track and the desert don't look that different.

Its fun but way different then what I was used to start stop more technical tracks. Entirely different way to ride also its not really a big bike track

BP PanigaleV4S · Feb 4, 2023

I thought the same every time I saw a video from one of the desert tracks, Chuck being top. Having the contrast between green grass and black asphalt seems beneficial.

Steven31371 · Feb 4, 2023

KarlKani said:
Also, I am not used to riding I the desert so for me its really weird for there to be nothing around the track to use as dum dum markers, but also there is a very different take on depth perception when the track and the desert don't look that different.

Its fun but way different then what I was used to start stop more technical tracks. Entirely different way to ride also its not really a big bike track

The cones are your friends out here, most trackday organizers put braking and turn in cones. And if you ride the track enough you start recognize little anomalies in the pavement as markers and sight windows as your markers, like things in the distance. For example at Big Willow turn 8 is a big no throttle lift sweeper in a car, that goes right into a decreasing radius turn 9, way off in the distance is a White House that looks like a little white spec, when that hit mid-windshield you lift of the throttle and rotate the car into the decreasing radius of turn 9.
You can’t over rely on the cones though, at ACS somebody had gone off the session before me and hit the cones, the corner worker didn’t put the turn in cone back in the same place abd I went off track over relying on it.

I suspect it’s definitely harder than back east though.

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