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There are a lot of track heroes in A group. The better organizations I've ridden with split intermediate into an A and a B group. It cuts the sessions to fifteen minuets, but I feel the sessions are better spent.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
There are a lot of track heroes in A group. The better organizations I've ridden with split intermediate into an A and a B group. It cuts the sessions to fifteen minuets, but I feel the sessions are better spent.
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Yup. We do B+ and B-. I bounce from one to the other depending on track.
 
My experiences here in Australia were the complete opposite. A group is Red group and B is Green. Coming from Green group into Red felt so much safer. Red group riders for the most part, appeared to have more experience with overtaking and doing it in a safe manner where as Green group was like moto3. Possibly a lot to do with the fact there was a lot more racers in Red group that weren't so intent on lap times at all cost. Still get some of those guys in all groups at the end of the day.
 
Mcv4 said:
My experiences here in Australia were the complete opposite. A group is Red group and B is Green. Coming from Green group into Red felt so much safer. Red group riders for the most part, appeared to have more experience with overtaking and doing it in a safe manner where as Green group was like moto3. Possibly a lot to do with the fact there was a lot more racers in Red group that weren't so intent on lap times at all cost. Still get some of those guys in all groups at the end of the day.
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A (advanced) group in States (at least in California) seems to be more cutthroat than B (intermediate) group. I have friends that ride A and they’re constantly complaining of close passes and the shitshow that they have to deal with. B riders are less experienced but more cautious for the most part. Usually B riders solo crash whereas A riders will cause others to crash (like by chopping lines or close passes). I’ll stay in B’s all day to not have to deal with that nonsense.
 
The worst guys are the baggers and Harley’s down here, guys who race in those classes bring their bikes to our track days to train, those bikes can’t keep up on the straights so it’s like they are trying to prove something in the corners.
 
I find that it all depends on the organization that is running things.

We have one company here that makes you start in slow group unless you have raced with an organization in the last couple of years.

They have coaches and spotters on track and will bump people up/down as appropriate. Sessions are rarely red flagged because people are well grouped and aren’t allowed to do dumb .... on track.

Others organizations are a bit of a free for all.

Personally I find the biggest risk being slow riders in the faster groups, the difference in speed can be dangerous. I don’t mind going full throttle close to another rider as much as I do rapidly approaching someone who is cornering at walking pace
 
Pace difference can be an issue, but general competency and predictability is more important. As long as a rider knows the line and rides smoothly and predictably, overtaking can be safe even when there is dramatic difference in pace
 
craig bush said:
Pace difference can be an issue, but general competency and predictability is more important. As long as a rider knows the line and rides smoothly and predictably, overtaking can be safe even when there is dramatic difference in pace
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True, and it’s one of the main reasons opt for group A now. I’m one of the slower guys in group A but at least everyone knows the line…also other than a few very fast guys the speed differential between me and the guys faster than me isn’t so much that I can’t use them to pull me around the track a bit.

Although as a relative newcomer to group A I’ve had guys pass me cutting the inside if an Apex and thought to myself: “This guy is awful trusting that I’m gunna hold my line” 😂😂😂
 
My Zero Gravity touring windscreen was looking a little banged up so I finally around to putting on the extra tall Cruciatta windscreen on, the Zero Gravity windscreen is in fact taller for those bigger guys out there needing a bigger screen to tuck behind…I ordered a new one and will put it on when it arrives.

I also installed my Starlane Stealth GP4 lap timer. I had a Carbon Fiber bracket left over from another project so I mounted in on that extending out from my camera bracket.

It works well because you do in fact have to push those buttons fairly hard and in this location I can get a finger under it to pinch it easily for button pushes, also there as mass warning labels about the device not likening direct engine vibration for sustained periods, so I used the rubber vibration absorbing washers and that CF bracket will absorb vibration too.

The unit with the software is pretty easy to upload tracks and download data from.

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