Bike Stalled And dropped

so my friends were giving me .... about it saying i was stalling the bike myself coming to stops and it shutting off in 1st gear and watching me almost fall off the bike several times. So i started revving the motor to 6-7k so it wouldn't shut off.. But it still shut off as the clutch was fully released and i couldn't save it this time. i can launch my kawasaki this high with no issues and the ducati almost demands you rev it this high to get it going anyways, only my kawasaki doesn't shut off or stall. Luckily i didn't get hit by a car. The guy behind me was paying attention. I dropped it pretty much at 0 mph. I just got a call from the dealership and they said it's 3k in damage for the 0 mph fall. They told me i have to call ducati of america but of course i got an answering machine. Anyone have a good number to call them and ..... them out? I want to get this resolved but i have a feeling this is going to come out of my wallet to fix. Dealership said there's no codes to be pulled and there should be if the bike just shut off.. I call ........ because i was a certified technician at toyota for many years and if a car shut off for no apparent reason there were no "codes" for me to see. I had to wing it and try to replicate the issue. But with threads like this i can really make a point that it's not just a problem with my bike but with almost everyones bike.

Mine has stalled on me once coming to a stop. It was just after a refuel. I was careful not to overfill at instructed by the dealership. I have less than 200 miles on it, so there hasn't been much opportunity for me to experience an issue yet.

In my case the display just went blank. It was like someone cut the ignition. It fired right back up and I was on my way. A bit unsettling nonetheless.

to be fair about my experience with shutting off, it happened to me only a handful of times and that was in late 2012. i would say from 2013-2016, it has happened zero times. the few times it happened, i was traveling at very slow speeds, maybe less than 10 mph. it was the surprise and the having to restart the engine (in traffic) that bothered me the most. once i realized what was happening, it became unlikely i stumble in the event of a shut-off. i told myself when creeping slowing, keep your wits about it because this sucker might shut off on me again; cruise in N if you can.. i remember this because my workplace is in a covered garage and you have to go slow as you snake around to the exit following other cars stopping and going; no way did i want to fall on my panigale in front of my departing co-workers, that would be a disaster.

so never once did the bike just stop on me as i was speeding. i can honestly say either my bike grew out of it or the maintenance took care of it (i'm coming up to 15k miles). today i couldn't get this bike to shut off if i tried; i have zero fear of this happening.

My 1299 stalled the second day I owned it while I was in the parking lot of the dealer...
It has stalled from time to time since then for the last 2 years..a couple of time I was in the middle of a intersection.. I have learned to just pull in the clutch If It stalls when I an moving and hit the starter button to restart it.. Of course mine will sometimes stall just sitting there in neutral while idling also....
.. Mine has never run smooth despite the rapid bike and multiple times in the shop..It runs like a scalded ape once you get on it but just riding around town is an exercise in aggravation and is not pleasant at all... It requires a LOT of attention to the throttle just to keep it at a steady speed. In 4th gear at 70 mph it wont hold a steady speed and bucks and kicks.. I have written about this multiple times so I guess I am beating a dead horse at this point.

It jerks and stutters at any speed when the motor is below 6300 rpm or so. Not fun to ride. There is NEVER any codes shown when hooked up to their so called analyzer So there is nothing that points to the problem that they can fix Very aggravating.
The dealer (Ducati Austin) has really tried and tried to fix the situations.. They changed out the ECU, the completer throttle bodies and even the throttle assembly to no avail.. They are really trying to help me and they are a great bunch of guys but I suspect it is something beyond their control.. They have a good reputation for service to their customers.. However it is really aggravating to have over $30K invested in a bike that runs this crappy.
Ducati knows about this and just doesn't want to address it. You are right.. They NEVER answer their phone or call you back. They do not intend to rectify the situation... I may get an attorney involved

I have a lot of money tied up in this bike and could not get even half of what I paid on a trade in from the dealer on another Ducati.(and that was a year ago)

Speedy

I am sorry to hear of all of the engine shut off issues that you are collectively suffering. My 1299s stalled a few times when pulling away when it was new. Now it has done 7500 miles the engine is looser and is generally ok. It only stalls now if I try to pull away with no throttle, which is user error! I had a 748R with a lightweight flywheel and that bike was just the same. I have noted that it's harder to dial in some revs when the engine mode is not set to full power. Both the 1299 and the 1098 I had stalled occasionally when coming to a stop when they were new but that problem went away as well as the engines loosened up.

So it's not doom and gloom for everybody...

Mine does the same. It just cuts out at random times. It's happened about 1/2 dozen times over the last year or so. I'm told there's an ignition circuit fault in the switch block and it's a known fault. I've also heard about it happening to someone at speed on a bend, causing him to lose control of the bike and veer into oncoming traffic..

TL/DR


1. make sure you record your ridning and the stalling
2. go report to the dealer
3. repeat until it's been there at least 3x for this issue
4. initiate lemon law process


good luck.

Knocking on wood as i type this but mines only happened once and i was literally rolling onto my driveway after a ride when it happened so no lock up.

This is a very scary thing though and depending on where it happened it can be life threatening.

Do you still have the fuel evaporation canister on it? I was warned that the bike will stall if the evap canister gets fuel in it from topping off the tank to the lip. My bike hasn't had the canister on it since new due to this.
I've stalled mine a handful of times over the years but I believe it was due to not getting the revs up to 3-5K with a controlled clutch/throttle release. These engines are pretty racy and like to be revved as you probably already know. I imagine a bad adjustment or switch could really exacerbate the issue. Hopefully you can get a good tech to do a bunch of starts on it and see if it behaves worse than the typical bike. It'll probably take a bit of troubleshooting to nail it down such as swapping known good parts to figure it out. It will take a bit of time but they should help you chase this down. Good luck man!

These stalling and unexpected shutoffs are more specific to the 1299, not 1199. 1199 had similar stalling issues but far less common and majority of the time was quickly and easily resolved. The 1299, not so much.

I hear you guys saying you got to rev to 3 to 5k but dont you guys realize when you pull the clutch your bike will automatically go to idle speed?

How in God's world are you suppose to rev your bike while the clutch is pulled so you could change gear? you are going to wear out your clutch !!!!

It has nothing to do with the revving of the bike it has to do with pulling the clutch the bike would shut the engine off and judging by the product questionnaire Ducati knows this is their main problem.

If you own a new Ducati and have never been to an owners Ducati website i suggest you log in and see the problem in black and white on their website.

The website ask you "Was the engine shutting off is one of the reasons why you wouldn't recommend this Panigale to your friends??"

Ducati knows this problem but did absolutely nothing to recall this lemon product, i must admit though and thank Ducati for fixing my wife's bike as well as mine.

My wife took our bikes for a long ride today and she reported no more stalling problem when using the clutch (we both got new Quick Shifters and IMU on our bikes due to the fix).

By the way after 4 weeks Ducati finally gave in and gave us the new quickshifters and IMU thanks to our local dealerships that worked together along with Ducati Australia to force Ducati Italy to fix the problems on our bikes.

I gave my ride to my wife as she is too scared to ride hers so now i ended up with her bike lol (if i still have issues i am going to get rid of the 1299 for sure but definitely will never buy Aprilia they have horrible issues with their bikes too). My bike doesn't have bad stalling problem only 3 times a month at very low speed though but hers happen during while riding at speed so that's freaking dangerous and it may end up killing her.

@Alpha Male, you seem very confident about your fix. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
Sometimes you have to ride the bike for 1000s of miles (/or months) until the engine shuts off again. Also, if it were such a simple fix like updating 2 small units, I'm sure that Ducati would have issued a worldwide recall by now, or at least updated their latest 2016 models.
However this problem has been around through the past model years.

Pilot said:

Do you still have the fuel evaporation canister on it? I was warned that the bike will stall if the evap canister gets fuel in it from topping off the tank to the lip. My bike hasn't had the canister on it since new due to this.
I've stalled mine a handful of times over the years but I believe it was due to not getting the revs up to 3-5K with a controlled clutch/throttle release. These engines are pretty racy and like to be revved as you probably already know. I imagine a bad adjustment or switch could really exacerbate the issue. Hopefully you can get a good tech to do a bunch of starts on it and see if it behaves worse than the typical bike. It'll probably take a bit of troubleshooting to nail it down such as swapping known good parts to figure it out. It will take a bit of time but they should help you chase this down. Good luck man!

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Took my canister off a year ago. Not much difference. Still dies once in a while.... **Since this happens infrequently and ( albeit always unexpectedly) many people report that taking off the carbon canister helps but it may just be a placebo effect... Everyone seems to have different levels of issues with their 1299's.. I suspect it is the huge bore versus the short stroke (116mm x 60.8mm) oversquare motor design causing some of it.. it seems to just suddenly lose enough engine vacume and it probably just starves out of fuel and dies.. Just a theory , If that IS the cause then it is more or less unfixable due to the basic design of the motor..... I never have mine die on me at the track but then again I am never slowing down enough until the session is over LOL

Speedy

jbs said:

@Alpha Male, you seem very confident about your fix. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
Sometimes you have to ride the bike for 1000s of miles (/or months) until the engine shuts off again. Also, if it were such a simple fix like updating 2 small units, I'm sure that Ducati would have issued a worldwide recall by now, or at least updated their latest 2016 models.
However this problem has been around through the past model years.

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You're right bro and sadly i wont get to find out until June 2017 when i get my license back thankfully her bike will have very low mileage for me to fetch a good trade in price.

It's not only the Panigale models. My 2008 Hyper would do it too! Added the race ecu and had it adjusted and no more stalling.

FWIW, I am not saying that the race ecu or the ecu adjustment fixed it. I am saying that it stopped stalling after the race ecu and the adjustment.

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FWIW, I am not saying that the race ecu or the ecu adjustment fixed it. I am saying that it stopped stalling after the race ecu and the adjustment.

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We were about to buy TuneBoy but after our dealership told us it will void our warranty we gave that idea up

Alpha Male said:

You're right bro and sadly i wont get to find out until June 2017 when i get my license back thankfully her bike will have very low mileage for me to fetch a good trade in price.

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Good Trade in price? LOL
It will only be a good trade in in price if you consider getting less than half of what you paid for it is a good trade in.
It won't matter much even if it only has 100 miles on it.. The dealer will not want it back unless they can steal it from you and make more money on it.. They need to sell their new bikes that they have floor planned through the bank or factory etc.. ** Every month they go without selling the new bike on their showroom costs them payments/ interest on the new bike....
They don't really want to have a lot of money in a used bike when they have brand new ones they need to move out ...

Even if you trade it in to another dealer there locally they will just shop it back to the Ducati dealer to get an ACV price.... and you will not get any more for it unless they are just (over allowing) you on the ACV ( Actual cash value) of the trade in plus whatever discount they are willing to come off of the new bike..)

Alas, this is the real world of motorcycle sales... None hold their value that well but especially a $25K Ducati 1299 that has a bad reputation for lots of problems (and high maintenance costs) like a Ducati...
*The younger guys usually cannot afford one in the first place (and they sure cant afford the insurance)..

Ducati's main market is older more affluent buyers (or at least those younger buyers with good income and with good credit etc.)

I will sell mine myself some day if I ever get the problems corrected.. Otherwise it will be a albatross sitting in my garage..


Speedy

speedy14 said:

I will sell mine myself some day if I ever get the problems corrected.. Otherwise it will be a albatross sitting in my garage..


Speedy

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You've been given the opportunity to get rid of yours here (post #46): http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/27313-straight-swap-2015-1299s-2017-base-r1-good-deal-2.html

Let's go.

On resale, I concur with comments immediately above. I would like to add however, if you market your bike to a private buyer who wants your specific bike and you can vouch for its condition, even guarantee it, and ask a fair price for what part of the experience in ownership is left for the new owner, you can sell for close to what the dealer would resell it for. I did this several vehicles in the past and prevented getting gouged by dealer and made the buyer happy by myself.