Bike Stalled And dropped

Fragile said:

you can vouch for its condition, even guarantee it

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You cant guaranty a used bike if you're a private seller lol it would be impossible you will have nightmare from buyers haunting you

Hmm, that may be true. I guess it depends on what you may be willing to support post sale. If the bike has extended warranty then that should cover much of it and even help make the sale. As far as owners causing their own problems due to misuse or abuse, that can cause a problem by dishonest buyers. I prefer not to deal with those types if I can spot it.

Rogue said:

You've been given the opportunity to get rid of yours here (post #46): http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/27313-straight-swap-2015-1299s-2017-base-r1-good-deal-2.html

Let's go.

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Yeah well upon second thought If I went with the R1 It would not be the base model.. I could still sell my bike to an individual if he doesn't mind the running rough in town and stalling from time to time.

I have a lot invested in it.. So far..... Ducati Akrppovic titanium pipe and 1299 Race "up Map" (That was purchase for about $3600 last year in an attempt to get it to run smoother)
Rapid Bike Racing module.(This helped smooth it out for a while then something changed again to cause it to surge at slower speeds again) (probably in the the ECU) and now it is back to the same old crappy herky jerky ride at slower speeds in town..

I have also added red SAMCO high temp silicone racing water hoses, (and had the cams degreed by the dealer at the same time..)
It has T Rex sliders (and also Woodcraft front fork sliders)

New Veserah brake pads, also the Ducati "comfort seat"

Lots of carbon fiber,(Carbon fiber side panels under the seat frame) Upper carbon fiber panels on dash etc.

A new "Supersprox" rear sprocket with gold anodized carrier and a new DID chain (black with gold links to match).. (up 2 teeth on rear)
Domino grips.
New Pirelli SC dot race tires. ( I did one track day on them up at Cresson a few months back) I still have the stock SP Pirellis with lots of rubber left also..

I have also had the fork and shock springs changed out for my weight (225lbs) so it handles much better if you weigh over 190 lbs.. Especially when braking hard or pushing it hard when leaned over in corners under trail braking)
Also added the clear stomp grip pads on the tank..

It also has the factory Ducati alarm installed..

It is a very pretty bike and sounds great with the Akropovic exhaust..

I am either going to purchase the extended warranty and keep it or maybe someone might be interested.. The bike runs stronger than any other 1299S I have ridden but I just cannot put up with its in town manners. If someone doesn't mind a surging and stalling issue then it will be a great bike..!

I just am not willing to put up with it anymore It is great on the track and an absolutely beautiful bike that attracts a lot of attention wherever I go but around town it should run better.. I am just too picky

I have over $34K invested It has just over 8K miles on it.. **I changed the oil about every 1500 miles..

Speedy

my 1299S with tuneboy still does the occasional stall. like others have said, you just have to rev the bike a little higher and be ready to clutch in if it stalls. mine has done it so many times that im kinda used to it now.

after owning a monster 1200s that had the same issue and hearing many Ducati owners complain about the same thing i've come to the conclusion that ALL ducatis do it and no matter what mods or stuff you've done on your bike they will all do it. its the Ducati character we all pay for

i doubt Ducati will ever do anything about it until some serious litigation happens.

Yeah I always hear about the "Ducati Character" LOL

Bottom line is it is absolute ........ that we pay that much for supposedly top premium brand motorcycle and have to worry about it stalling on us from time to time.

I assure you if Mercedes Benz had a "stalling problem" as part of the so called "Character" of owning one or their products" (and their customers found themselves in the middle of in intersection in a stalled car) there would be hell to pay and a MAJOR class action Suite...

If a Mercedes dealer simply told them that they cannot find what is wrong and that they just have to put up with it because it was part of the :Character" of owning a Mercedes THAT would go over like a turd in a punch bowl at a Sunday social.. LOL

Their reputation is one of the most important aspects to the Mercedes brand
as well as it should be for ANY high end product...
Ducati seem to just put their head in the sand and not even want to acknowledge there is a problem? Meanwhile more and more people are experiencing their bikes stalling on them.. From what I have read the dealers always seem to be surprised when someone comes in with the problem.
Evidently they cannot fix something unless there is a "code" thrown on their computer when they hook it up.. For all I know Ducati might be unable to fix the problem and just programs their ECU's from the factory not to throw a code so there is never any proof

Someday there WILL be someone that will sue the pants off of Ducati... If I wreck mine because of it stalling and sustain injuries I assure you I WILL sue them...

I cannot and will not stop complaining to the Dealer and Ducati factory I have it all on record that there is a problem and with all of you out there having the same problem I think I would have a good chance to win...

Speedy

I would find the "Character" thing funny if there were no risk of injury involved. But there actually is...

I've never gone through the process, but maybe this could be one avenue to elevate the issue.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

I haven't had the stall issue on take off unless it was my fault..but! ...

I have had it numerous times where the dash and bike shuts off for a fkn nano second and then comes back on. It's most of the time while riding at a steady pace. Speed doesn't matter..and it's not during shifting or using the clutch. Just happens out of no where

Any ideas?

speedy14 said:

Rapid Bike Racing module.(This helped smooth it out for a while then something changed again to cause it to surge at slower speeds again) (probably in the the ECU) and now it is back to the same old crappy herky jerky ride at slower speeds in town..



Speedy

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Curious, but have they replaced your MAP sensors? I had a similar situation on my 1199 Tricolore, and the RapidBike made a great difference, but the bike slowly degraded over time and became ..... Every month it was worse and worse, they replaced the ECU and other things, but no improvement. Finally it wouldn't run right and it was the MAP sensors that were slowly becoming fouled over time. Once those were replaced, the bike was back to running correctly.

Stalling at low speeds

Hi all,

I bought my 1299 last month and it stalled on the 1st day, I took it home from the dealer. I did not worry much since it was my 1st ride in a long time and hoped its a matter of getting used to the clutch.

After a month and 300+ kms, it continues to stall whenever I ride in traffic at speeds below 15 kmph. Initially I tried to get around this issue by holding clutch and pumping the RPM over 3K whenever the bike was below 20kmph. But I noticed when I release the throttle between the pumps, the engine speed reduces to <1K. When this happens, it gives a strong feeling that the engine is about to stall, so I pump the rpm up again to avoid stalling. This is still risky, considering if I do not pump the rpm back up again at the right time there is a chance for it to stall.

Now I follow a different method, by holding clutch and keeping the rpm between 2K ~ 3K, when ever I am in 1st gear and is going at speeds below 20kmph. Is there anything wrong in doing this?

Thanks.

Now I follow a different method, by holding clutch and keeping the rpm between 2K ~ 3K, when ever I am in 1st gear and is going at speeds below 20kmph. Is there anything wrong in doing this?



There is nothing "wrong" with doing the best you can to keep the bike running...

The thing that is "Wrong" is the fact you spent a lot of money for a supposedly "PREMIUM" brand bike and that you have to do it in the first place...
All of us that have a stalling bike know how it feels... Especially those that have had their bike stall in traffic or in the middle of an intersection...The bike stalling can range from simple embarrassment from stalling it leaving a parking lot to absolute terror when it dies on you in the middle of an intersection (with traffic heading toward you at 40mph) or stalling in the middle of rush hour traffic at 70mph.

I am seriously considering getting involved with an attorney to see what I can do to get Ducati to either rectify the situation or give me my money back... I have repair records, receipts and of course all of the remarks on this and other websites to use as evidence.. Maybe we could all get involved in a class action suite against Ducati...

Anyone interested?

Speedy

update*** the bike has been at the shop since december 23rd..
The first week they had it, they said they could not replicate the issue at all. No codes found so they didn't know what to repair. I finally got a call back from ducati of america a week later. They requested video proof that the bike stalled and i sent video of it stalling or better yet turning off during my rides.. The dealership then said the video was inconclusive because i did not show the VIN# and there was no way of telling if the bike was indeed mine or not. Then told me that the Ducati tech was able to replicate the stall. They told me they were checking the QSS and some other things and would call me back.. I get a call back several days later and they said ducati of america wants them to rip apart the motor and do a bunch of stuff.. I didn't get the details. Still waiting. If i don't hear from them by the 23rd i'm considering calling a lemon law lawyer because they've had the bike for a month. Anyone have any Tips?

Lemon law won't do anything just because the shop has had it for X amount of time. Lemon law is for the same issue multiple times without the shop being able to permanently fix the issue. I'd give the shop a chance to fix the problem n see how it goes. Most of the time (especially with such a big job as a teardown) the dealer can't do anything until they hear back from the manufacturer. Otherwise, they may not even be compensated for any repair work they complete and basically have done all the labor on your bike for free. No dealer is gonna do that. Be patient as these things take a while. A month may seem bad but many on here have had their bikes in shops for longer periods for much smaller problems.

There is nothing "wrong" with doing the best you can to keep the bike running...

The thing that is "Wrong" is the fact you spent a lot of money for a supposedly "PREMIUM" brand bike and that you have to do it in the first place...
All of us that have a stalling bike know how it feels... Especially those that have had their bike stall in traffic or in the middle of an intersection...The bike stalling can range from simple embarrassment from stalling it leaving a parking lot to absolute terror when it dies on you in the middle of an intersection (with traffic heading toward you at 40mph) or stalling in the middle of rush hour traffic at 70mph.

I am seriously considering getting involved with an attorney to see what I can do to get Ducati to either rectify the situation or give me my money back... I have repair records, receipts and of course all of the remarks on this and other websites to use as evidence.. Maybe we could all get involved in a class action suite against Ducati...

Anyone interested?

Speedy[/QUOTE]

100%, you shouldnt have to ride the bike a different way to keep it from stalling. Yeah its a duc and she requires a little more tlc but this is absurd

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Lemon law won't do anything just because the shop has had it for X amount of time. Lemon law is for the same issue multiple times without the shop being able to permanently fix the issue. I'd give the shop a chance to fix the problem n see how it goes. Most of the time (especially with such a big job as a teardown) the dealer can't do anything until they hear back from the manufacturer. Otherwise, they may not even be compensated for any repair work they complete and basically have done all the labor on your bike for free. No dealer is gonna do that. Be patient as these things take a while. A month may seem bad but many on here have had their bikes in shops for longer periods for much smaller problems.

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I seriously doubt a engine tear down is really necessary.. **If it was due to the engine then almost everyone would be having the exact same issue. This is most likely caused by an electrical/wiring or programing issue. It stands to reason that an internal engine issue would not cause the whole dash to go blank ie; lose total power etc on the gauges etc. like many as well as myself have had an issue with.. If just the motor died I would assume the gauges etc would still be lit like a car or any other bike I have owned.. who reallyknow with the Ducati?

This is definitely an electrical/programing glitch..

I am going to video tape my (including a copy of the serial number on the bike in the video before I take off) and see if I can get mine to do the same thing ..** Since it is an intermittent problem it always seems to run fine for a while when I am taping it LOL

Mine will sometimes cut off just sitting there warming up.. the entire gauges and motor stop working suddenly with no warning. It is more common when cold engine but it has happened while the motor is thoroughly warmed up also..

Speedy

double0 said:

Lemon law won't do anything just because the shop has had it for X amount of time. Lemon law is for the same issue multiple times without the shop being able to permanently fix the issue. I'd give the shop a chance to fix the problem n see how it goes. Most of the time (especially with such a big job as a teardown) the dealer can't do anything until they hear back from the manufacturer. Otherwise, they may not even be compensated for any repair work they complete and basically have done all the labor on your bike for free. No dealer is gonna do that. Be patient as these things take a while. A month may seem bad but many on here have had their bikes in shops for longer periods for much smaller problems.

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Lemon law IS number of days out of service among other things. I have lemon law'd a car in the state of CA, the law is on your side. I did not need a lawyer, the lemon law states that the manufacture has to basically "play nice." If they don't lemon a vehicle that clearly meets the definition under the law then they are subject to punitive damages if you later lawyer up and sue them.

Call the manufacturer and state you want to start the lemon/buy back process. Under the lemon law this triggers a sequence of events / timeframes that they MUST obide by.

In my case BMW finally replaced my engine after being in the shop a ton of times. I didn't want the car back after the boneheads at the dealer had replaced the engine. In fact, when looking at the engine replacement paperwork they had tons of issues after replacing the engine, it was overheating and leaking coolant because they put the car back together wrong. And also this is going to de-value the car..

speedy14 said:

[/B]Mine will sometimes cut off just sitting there warming up.. the entire gauges and motor stop working suddenly with no warning. It is more common when cold engine but it has happened while the motor is thoroughly warmed up also..

Speedy

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This is happening with mine quite frequently. It has shut off only twice in traffic but countless times when warming up.

I have had the issue, but haven't in a long time.

1. I replaced my clutch master (Brembo 17RCS) and slave (Oberon).
2. Currently the clutch switch is still installed and just zip tied out of the way. I start the bike in neutral, but plan to install a pressure switch bolt to activate the clutch switch.
3. TuneBoy map is installed.
4. My charcoal canister was removed when doing the exhaust upgrade.
5. PAIR removal and blockoff plates added.
6. Upgraded to the Akra exhaust.

After all of this was done, I haven't had a stall on the bike. I DID have a stall once after the exhaust, TuneBoy, and removal of canister, but since replacing the clutch master/slave, I haven not had an issue. But again, my clutch switch is currently just hanging there not being used.

My bike was at the shop for 4 months due to stalling, investigated lemon law in Florida. Even called Florida consumer affairs. Lemon law does not apply to motorcycles in FL. Might want to check in your state.

Lemon law if applicable in your state also goes by cumulative days out of service and/or consecutive days out of service not just repair attempts.

mrailing said:

I have had the issue, but haven't in a long time.

1. I replaced my clutch master (Brembo 17RCS) and slave (Oberon).
2. Currently the clutch switch is still installed and just zip tied out of the way. I start the bike in neutral, but plan to install a pressure switch bolt to activate the clutch switch.
3. TuneBoy map is installed.
4. My charcoal canister was removed when doing the exhaust upgrade.
5. PAIR removal and blockoff plates added.
6. Upgraded to the Akra exhaust.

After all of this was done, I haven't had a stall on the bike. I DID have a stall once after the exhaust, TuneBoy, and removal of canister, but since replacing the clutch master/slave, I haven not had an issue. But again, my clutch switch is currently just hanging there not being used.

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The tuneboy tune disables the clutch switch in 1st gear so you should be able to reinstall it?