Bye bye 200/55.

I kind of figured that it might be. I was trying to read this thread and it all stopped making sense when someone was talking about going back to a 190/55, then it all went to TC, and then went onto geometry, and I was thinking the only difference it would make to geometry is ride height, which I thought would be .... all, and so I asked the question. That's all.

But at least I know now that Pirrelli Supercorsa's come in 200/55 and 190/55.

and I think I miss read what STW was saying too, because I am dyslexic. Sometimes.

Soz said:

I kind of figured that it might be. I was trying to read this thread and it all stopped making sense when someone was talking about going back to a 190/55, then it all went to TC, and then went onto geometry, and I was thinking the only difference it would make to geometry is ride height, which I thought would be .... all, and so I asked the question. That's all.

But at least I know now that Pirrelli Supercorsa's come in 200/55 and 190/55.

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Can't say Pirelli vs Pirelli, but for reference I can say that a 190/55 Bridgestone S20 is 7mm smaller in diameter than the OEM 200/55 Supercorsa, which means 3.5mm in ride height new vs new. Does affect TC some, but it's still OK for street use. TC effect depends more on the front/rear diameter ratio than the actual tire size.

For example, I stuck a new Q3 on the front the other day since the S20 was shagged on the sides (and felt like it). The rear S20 had already been replaced and was relatively fresh, so I figured I'd leave it on for a bit before going to the new Q3 and see how the two got on together. Raised the rear ride height a smidge to compensate, but grip and handling wise the pair do fine together on the street. However, the Q3 front is larger in diameter than the S20 (or the Supercorsa), so with a half-worn S20 on back, the TC is now close to useless. Will either run it on 1 or off until I mount the new Q3 on back.

Geometry, handling and grip are fine with a 190 on back once you adjust for it; all that's really needed it a custom sensor ring on one end to sort out the TC/ABS effect. Some of the racing guys have had them done up so it's do-able. Might be worth looking into a batch job/group buy for interested parties...

Steve B said:

Can't say Pirelli vs Pirelli, but for reference I can say that a 190/55 Bridgestone S20 is 7mm smaller in diameter than the OEM 200/55 Supercorsa, which means 3.5mm in ride height new vs new. Does affect TC some, but it's still OK for street use. TC effect depends more on the front/rear diameter ratio than the actual tire size.

For example, I stuck a new Q3 on the front the other day since the S20 was shagged on the sides (and felt like it). The rear S20 had already been replaced and was relatively fresh, so I figured I'd leave it on for a bit before going to the new Q3 and see how the two got on together. Raised the rear ride height a smidge to compensate, but grip and handling wise the pair do fine together on the street. However, the Q3 front is larger in diameter than the S20 (or the Supercorsa), so with a half-worn S20 on back, the TC is now close to useless. Will either run it on 1 or off until I mount the new Q3 on back.

Geometry, handling and grip are fine with a 190 on back once you adjust for it; all that's really needed it a custom sensor ring on one end to sort out the TC/ABS effect. Some of the racing guys have had them done up so it's do-able. Might be worth looking into a batch job/group buy for interested parties...

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I have Q3's front and rear... do you think they in a sense cancel each other out and the bike basically doesn't see them any different than the Supercorsas??

Stw said:

I have Q3's front and rear... do you think they in a sense cancel each other out and the bike basically doesn't see them any different than the Supercorsas??

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Not quite; most any 190/55 is going to be shorter than the 200/55 Pirelli to a degree, some just less than others. Some of the more track-focused tires might well be close in back, but you'd have to check the actual measurements rather than the nominal size as they vary a fair bit. But they're close enough for street use. Easy to sort out the ride height variance, and S20's or Q3's have all the grip you need at anything remotely close to sane street riding pace, in addition to being better than the Supercorsas in wet or cool conditions. Doubt they'll last much longer if any, but they aren't sport touring tires after all; they're intended as mixed use street/trackday tires.

Haven't measured a mounted 190 Q3 on back to compare actuals yet, but they spec it at 25.68in (652mm) diameter, so only 4mm less than the OEM rear Pirelli, which specs out at 656mm. Ride height diff will only be 2mm then. The Dunlop Q3 front spec's at 4mm larger than the Pirelli, so that doesn't help, but it's close enough for street use. Probably just have to knock your TC back one or two settings. Raise your forks 2mm in the clamps and lengthen the shock one turn and you're back to OEM height and stance.

The Bridgestone S20s I've had on run a bit smaller diameter than the Q3s at both ends, so the new front Q3 with a worn S20 in back really gets the TC out of whack enough to call it a problem, but a new Q3 on back should sort that out sufficiently for my purposes. Will be interesting to see how they compare to the S20's overall.

just put a Michelin pilot road 3 on the back 190X55 and a Michelin power on the front. I had that combination on my 1198. I just do road riding, great tyres, you get 5k miles out of set.

....personally....the stock tire is an excellent choice....wore off in 2500+ miles (street only)....actually i think closer to 2800 - considering the level of grip for me, and the overall feel, i think it is a great tire

-- i am trying the Cups - nothing but praise for them, if you like grip and its associated feedback constantly given to you, then this tire wins hands down for a high SPMF (Smiles Per Miles Factor)

-- the 200 measures a full 25mm wider than the stock Pirelli which might slow the feel (steering) down a bit - and the Cup front must be wider as well, although i didn't measure and compare

-- the Cups are certainly a great choice...grip, stability, and a never ending feel of the tire is always there are its outstanding traits for me......granted i am only street riding with them, so i really am not fully exploiting them, and i guess in the end they are a bit overkill for the street....i'm thinking a 190 Michelin SuperSport (new for 2013) might measure the same as stock and be just as much fun, so i may give those a try next - as for now though, the Cups are nice !

After a month of waiting for the tires, I finally got them mounted...more to follow.

Castor Troy said:

After a month of waiting for the tires, I finally got them mounted...more to follow.

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Welcome to the club.... Had mine for about 1000 miles now... After adjusting DTC I have no complaints...

I was talking to the Michelin rep at the track. I'd suggest anyone do the same. They will really show you what kind of tire you should be running and why. Very good info from the tire rep's. I believe my next set will be a Power 3 or Q3.

I'm going to do this too. Last time I spend $440 on the SP's.

I need to get schooled up on the Q3s vs the Pilot 3s.

Castor Troy said:

I have been wanting to go back to 190/55 for a while now, well my old lady made that decision for me by showing me this pic. A batch showed up at her store yesterday and I am current waiting for my front to show up

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is this Damitri??? how do you like to Q3s on your bike?

I'm interested in the Michelin Power 3's as well any one pull the trigger on those yet??

Anyone have any current info or updates on their opinion of the 190/55 Q3's or Pilot 3's?

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Anyone have any current info or updates on their opinion of the 190/55 Q3's or Pilot 3's?

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I've taken the Q3s to a track day as well as normal street riding. Very little difference with the DTC for me so far. I'm sticking with the Q3s unless the V2s drop in price. Not likely, so Q3s it is.

Q3's are on top of the street list for value and performance.

I've put 1,500 miles of street use on the Q3's and have nothing but good things to say about them. Great tire. I did notice DTC kicking in more than usual after initially making the swap, but after adjusting the level down one setting all appears to be functioning normally.

Stw said:

You're getting 5000 miles out of SuperCorsas???

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I got more than 7 000 miles out of my first Super Corsa rear tyre...

Claymore said:

I got more than 7 000 miles out of my first Super Corsa rear tyre...

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How is that even possible???

Stw said:

How is that even possible???

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I suppose the nitrogen I pump it with helps and some credit must go to the BST's as well... I replaced my rear tyre at 11 500 km's. It was just about to run through to the belts in the middle.