Bye bye 200/55.

Stw · Feb 25, 2014

Claymore said:
I suppose the nitrogen I pump it with helps and some credit must go to the BST's as well... I replaced my rear tyre at 11 500 km's. It was just about to run through to the belts in the middle.

I found that at 2200 mine were shot....

Zaid1199 · Feb 25, 2014

Claymore said:
I got more than 7 000 miles out of my first Super Corsa rear tyre...

No REALLy how did you get the 7,000 miles out of those?? i tried to get more than 5000 but lucky enough if i get another 500 miles if that. Now its tire shopping in the offseason.

JeffD · Feb 25, 2014

Claymore said:
I got more than 7 000 miles out of my first Super Corsa rear tyre...

I can actually believe that. I usually only get 2,500 - 3,000 miles out of any supersport-type tire (S20, Q2, BT-003RS, etc.) but the Supercorsa SP2 was quite amazing. Long story short is that I swapped the OEM SP2 tires to an S wheelset for 2,000 miles, then onto my Rotobox RBX2 wheels for another 2,000 miles. In between I had the OEM wheels with a set of S20s for about 2,500 miles.

The Bridgestone S20s seem to last about half as long as the Supercorsa SP2s. I live in FL where it's basically flat and straight, with basically a 18 mile ride to the few twisties nearby. I'm not a lightweight at 225 pounds, either, and while I don't go Vmax on the straights, I love to accelerate a lot, and also decelerate aggressively on corner entry. So I find the Supercorsa SP2s simply amazing that the rear lasted around 4,000 miles and was just to the wear bars - not the cords. Have no idea how.

Probably going to try Q3s anyway next time.

Steve B · Feb 25, 2014

7K is pretty amazing, but as with any literbike tire life is going to vary a ton depending on how and where you ride. Might be wrong, but if memory serves, I think Dennis (Antihero) got fairly comparable mileage on his Pirellis when he was circumnavigating the US. That's what you'd expect on that sort of trip, but guys doing a lot of track days or pure, spirited twisty road riding only are seeing way less. I live in east TN, and these mountain roads eat tires - in a good way, of course. I know whatever I have on in the cooler months will last longer just because I'm not going to be pushing them much; the summer tires won't live so long, but they'll enjoy their short life more...

I've had Q3's on for a while now and as others have noted, just back off the TC a notch or two and the 190/55 is fine for most purposes. Just be sure to compensate for ride height changes versus the OEM tires if you want to maintain the stance from stock (or whatever you had it at) - it's easy to do.

Charliem90 · Feb 26, 2014

JeffD said:
Probably going to try Q3s anyway next time.

I'm at 4.5k miles on my current rear Q3. I'm thinking it's good for another 200-300 before it needs replacing (though I've been saying that for the past 500 mi - just doesn't wear as fast as I expect). Running 34 psi in the rear.
Front Q3 has about 3800 mi and looks like it may last sometime into the next decade. Running 32 psi on it.

azimmerlyjr · Feb 27, 2014

i just went through my first set of the Q3's by the way. love love love them. well, i went through the back tire already at least. just ordered another. the front is about half still. i loved everything about them and the rear lasted about 1k longer than the SP's. i went with a 200/50. the traction control light comes on early in turns im sure because of the lower profile, however. when i would break traction with decent lean, DTC set on 5 in sport, it would catch itself pretty quick. tested gradually on wet corners with slight lean, and it held it open...kept engaging and wouldn't let me lose it. dry grip is crazy and warm up is amazing. wet grip is 10 fold the SP's. still love the SP's but for the road, these are better in every aspect IMHO.

alzilla · Feb 27, 2014

Is this about cost? 200/55 sp v2 263.00 front 172.55 total bill with install is 548.00 for both tires. The reg sp rear is 246.00 the front still 172.55 I have found that the sc v2 or non v2 last about the same, the v2 seams to wear the front before the rear the stock tires are the sc sp they wear out at the same time,I have gone through two sets of each and will not change to any other brand these tires work. I ride most in race mode tc set at 0, sport tc set 2, wet tc set at 4.I have had both types of front tire let go once each one time I had went over a groove in the pavement the other time was fuel on the road no fault of the tires.Both front and rear last about 4000ks to 6000ks it all in my mood and time of the year"¦"¦"¦"¦...Happy riding stay safe

reganc · Feb 27, 2014

can someone clarify what size i should buy is it the 200's or the 190's and how will this affect the TC, I will be using these predominantly on the track using TC 2/3

thanks

Zaid1199 · Mar 3, 2014

i dont understand any of you guys here... you'll spend thousands on performance parts and modifications, but you won't spend the money on good tires.. AND WHAT is the consensess for good tires?? Michelin? Dunlop's, OEM rip off super corsa 2's etc.

ghostdog6 · Mar 3, 2014

Who says the Q3 isn't a good tire? Why is only the stock tire a "good" tire? Every manufacturer makes different tire profiles, etc. Some people prefer the feel of a specific brand's tire.

Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's a better tire. Just because Ducati says use this tire doesn't mean that's the only viable option.

This isn't MotoGP and we don't have a spec tire. Don't imply that people are cheap because they don't simply plunk down money because Ducati said so.

azimmerlyjr · Mar 3, 2014

Charliem90 said:
I have a new SC that I'm going to be putting on the rear. But soon as I need a new front, I'll replace it with a Q3.
And once the rear finally goes, I'll get the 200/50 version of the Q3 for it.
I would be interested in a good review of the 190/55 though.

I went with the 200/50 q3. absolutely love it! amazing tire. just put on the second one. got about 3000miles out of the first one and I live in florida where the roads are flat. lots of hard acceleration and straight line riding

. but I got about 1000 miles more out of it than my SC with the same conditions. the tire is just amazing in every way.

azimmerlyjr · Mar 3, 2014

reganc said:
can someone clarify what size i should buy is it the 200's or the 190's and how will this affect the TC, I will be using these predominantly on the track using TC 2/3

thanks

as you can see above in my last post, I went with the 200 q3. the traction control is on 5 in my sport mode and it seems to come on earlier at all lean angles. still works great however! I messed with it a little when it was wet out too. wouldn't let the rear kick out much at all with TCT on 5. I could just stay in it and it kept me safe. as best as I can tell, it just cuts on earlier as if you were in a TC setting a few higher than you really are. one my second rear now, and wont be switching back! amazing tire.

Steve B · Mar 3, 2014

As a general FYI for anyone going with a Q3 (or anything not in a 200/55), use a 190/55. The Q3 in that size is far closer to the OEM tire size and profile than the 200/50, and will handle better in transitions and on its side. A 200/50 has a smaller rolling diameter than a 180/55 and will affect the TC considerably more than the 190/55. Still do-able as noted above, but not the optimum choice.

azimmerlyjr · Mar 3, 2014

Steve B said:
As a general FYI for anyone going with a Q3 (or anything not in a 200/55), use a 190/55. The Q3 in that size is far closer to the OEM tire size and profile than the 200/50, and will handle better in transitions and on its side. A 200/50 has a smaller rolling diameter than a 180/55 and will affect the TC considerably more than the 190/55. Still do-able as noted above, but not the optimum choice.

this is good to know! im sure the difference in traction is not noticeable on the street whereas quicker turn in probably is. where did you get this information from? i was looking for something on this. i have no issues with going with a 190/55 next time. its just too bad Dunlop didnt make the 200/55 a choice in size

Steve B · Mar 3, 2014

Most manufacturers publish tire dimensions on their websites. Looking at Dunlop's Q3 specs for instance, they're at:

High-Performance Dunlop Motorcycle Tires

The 190/55 is 14.7mm taller and only 3.8mm narrower than the 200/50. At 649mm tall, it's 7mm shorter than the OEM 200/55 Pirelli versus 21.7mm shorter which is where the 200/50 leaves you. You take half that difference to get the rear ride height change of course, since all that matters there is axle to ground. Easy enough to adjust out the ride height changes, but over 2cm of tire height is going to completely hose the TC.

Zaid1199 · Mar 4, 2014

ghostdog6 said:
Who says the Q3 isn't a good tire? Why is only the stock tire a "good" tire? Every manufacturer makes different tire profiles, etc. Some people prefer the feel of a specific brand's tire.

Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's a better tire. Just because Ducati says use this tire doesn't mean that's the only viable option.

This isn't MotoGP and we don't have a spec tire. Don't imply that people are cheap because they don't simply plunk down money because Ducati said so.

I think you miss understood me.. I'm not saying the Q3 isn't a good tire and i laugh at ducati and what they say... i've noticed that in the past week i've seen a lot of ads for Q3 on webistes for sale, and not too many 1199 owners riding in michelin or any other tires just looking for more feedback

outhouse · Mar 4, 2014

Zaid1199 said:
i dont understand any of you guys here... you'll spend thousands on performance parts and modifications, but you won't spend the money on good tires.. AND WHAT is the consensess for good tires?? Michelin? Dunlop's, OEM rip off super corsa 2's etc.

We use these because they are sick, and get the job done.

They mirror the stock tires at half the cost.

Q2's would actually hold mid line better then the SC's but were slower to tip in.

Q3's tip in quicker and rail, what else would you like? oh and last longer too.

Zaid1199 · Mar 4, 2014

outhouse said:
We use these because they are sick, and get the job done.

They mirror the stock tires at half the cost.

Q2's would actually hold mid line better then the SC's but were slower to tip in.

Q3's tip in quicker and rail, what else would you like? oh and last longer too.

what about michelin powersports, i think??

azimmerlyjr · Mar 4, 2014

outhouse said:
We use these because they are sick, and get the job done.

They mirror the stock tires at half the cost.

Q2's would actually hold mid line better then the SC's but were slower to tip in.

Q3's tip in quicker and rail, what else would you like? oh and last longer too.

not to mention better warm up time for the 3's and wet performance if you get caught in the rain. the mileage is a huge factor for me...not because I cant afford a new tire every 2k, but because its annoying and a pain in the ass because I put a good amount of miles on my bike. better performance (overall street), 2x the mileage (for me) and half the price. boom. cant beat that.

azimmerlyjr · Mar 4, 2014

Steve B said:
Most manufacturers publish tire dimensions on their websites. Looking at Dunlop's Q3 specs for instance, they're at:

High-Performance Dunlop Motorcycle Tires

The 190/55 is 14.7mm taller and only 3.8mm narrower than the 200/55. At 649mm tall, it's 7mm shorter than the OEM 200/55 Pirelli versus 21.7mm shorter which is where the 200/50 leaves you. You take half that difference to get the rear ride height change of course, since all that matters there is axle to ground. Easy enough to adjust out the ride height changes, but over 2cm of tire height is going to completely hose the TC.

well that's great to know. perhaps I should have researched more! I will certainly be going with the 190/55 next! thank you for the info. also, if anyone cares. I passed a radar trap the other day. my bike said 86 and the sign said 80. looks like it throws the speedo off exponentially with more speed. makes perfect sense obviously, just making note.

Bye bye 200/55.

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