Closed to 1st break-in. 500mi on V4s

endodoc said:

It sure is smooth, feels just like a ZX-10, R1 and a 1000R which is the very reason I kept the 1299.

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I’m in the same boat. Love my RSV4, it’s perfect, smooth as silk and stupid fast. I always wanted a Duc so I had my sights on a street fighter. Finally found a dealer that would let me ride a non-demo and they sent another salesman to follow me on a 1299. I like the V4, it is basically a high powered Tuono with better looks and dash, but it was too close. I joked about the 1299 and we swapped for the ride back. The salesman had handed me a 1299 in Race mode with TC off. That was the most fun I’ve ever had on the street. Considering that later in the same week I was planning to pay out the nose for a new R6 track bike, I took a 2k mile 1299 home instead.

Love the V2. The Duc has personality, the Ape is just efficient and business like.


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I just rode an R1 race bike and my V4S back to back. I thought the R1 felt like a toy compared to the Panigale V4. I don't know how you could compare them. The R1 is so loose and buzzy sounding, so permissive. The V4 is nothing like an inline 4 IMO. Especially with the twin pulse firing the desmosedici sound is its own. Maybe on a demo ride around the block at 35mph I suppose it would be hard to get. A V2 would appear more lively.
The V2's I'll always love, I have had many Ducati V2's and I've still got mine, but ya, they're different. The desmosedici is on another level. The V2's are fun and raw and full of balls. The V4 is many times more sophisticated as a ride feel. When you pin a V4 on a straight marching through to 6th - fekkkkk I've never felt or heard anything like that. No V2 is going to touch that. That's on a new level of omfg.

Oh that test ride was anything but a 35 mph demo...

Yes, the V4 whether an Ape and Duc are cannons. And agree, my Ape will obliterate the 1299 in every possible way. Heck, the Ape does what, 98 mph in first- and then its close ratio to 185mph after that? I’ve already moved into third on the 1299. The 1299 runs out of steam past 160, the Ape is just getting into the full power maps.


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Look at the speeds and lap times between the V4 WSBK and the F-18 V2 WSBK and tell me what you see as for the V4 s other 4 cylinder bikes, that’s a matter of opinion. Can someone post up all the victories from the 4v stable from “amateur” racers (not hired ex motogp pros) who are winning their classes on the V4 platform vs say Kawasaki and Yamaha? CanyonCarver, so you own the V4 and the 1299?

Yeah its so true the times are no different between the 99 and the 4 at the top level. You go into the amateur scene its absolute dead you got one rider Jeremiah Walker on a V4R riding in MotoAmerica Stock1000 class he has backed ex SBK crew helping him out he can't even make middle the pack.

endodoc said:

Look at the speeds and lap times between the V4 WSBK and the F-18 V2 WSBK and tell me what you see as for the V4 s other 4 cylinder bikes, that’s a matter of opinion. Can someone post up all the victories from the 4v stable from “amateur” racers (not hired ex motogp pros) who are winning their classes on the V4 platform vs say Kawasaki and Yamaha? CanyonCarver, so you own the V4 and the 1299?

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MaverickiB said:

I watched the video at .25 speed to catch a glimpse of the dash when it wasn't covered. I don't think he was in Level 1 ABS because I didn't see the "FRONT ONLY" warning message, which means the anti-lift was not disabled.

It looks like the reason why the bike couldn't stop him was the stars aligned and he decided to ham fist the brakes right as the off ramp dipped downhill. Already at a downhill angle, the bike has much less time to react and prevent the rear from lifting before it his the point of no return. I have engaged the anti-lift at the track when I was less experienced, hamfist the brakes similar to how he did, and the initial bite of the brakes alone is enough to get the bike's ass way up in the air on momentum before the ABS can do anything about it.

The video where he recalls the crash is a good case study in the way our ego attempts to protect us from shame. He probably legitimately believes he lost traction or something retarded like that. His brain's desire to protect his pride at all costs makes it so it refuses to believe he crashed from getting scared and grabbing a fistful of brake, doing an endo like an idiot. Instead, he's trying to tell people he high sided even though he literally wasn't leaning at all.

Basically, the guy didn't learn anything from this and will probably be squdding on mommy and daddys money in a few months.

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He made another excuse video. He attempts to claim the bike was fishtailing under hard braking when the rear suddenly gained traction and launched him over the bars. The words he uses are soft and lack commitment to what’s he’s attempting to convey. Lots of, “what I think it was” or “it felt like to me...” that nonsense.

Maybe all the carbon fiber made the back end too light?

I think the reality is that the twin reached the absolute pinnacle in development. They could not do anything more with it, including winning any WSBK championships. That hasn't been done since Checa on 1098/1198RS. If you look to GP even tho it is proto type machinery there is arguable marketing logic to switching sbk to v4 in that respect also. Twins were/are great bu they moved on.

endodoc said:

Look at the speeds and lap times between the V4 WSBK and the F-18 V2 WSBK and tell me what you see as for the V4 s other 4 cylinder bikes, that’s a matter of opinion. Can someone post up all the victories from the 4v stable from “amateur” racers (not hired ex motogp pros) who are winning their classes on the V4 platform vs say Kawasaki and Yamaha? CanyonCarver, so you own the V4 and the 1299?

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I have an RSV4 1100 and a 1299. Love them both, however, the V4 has moved way beyond. It’s just smoother and always has a piston working away on the crank, albeit smaller pistons. No comparison. >100 ft lbs on the street is a hoot however and will be better for this noob looking for trackable power even when in the wrong gear. I’m honestly afraid to keep the V4 wound up on track, it’s fricken nuts.


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KarlKani said:

I think the reality is that the twin reached the absolute pinnacle in development. They could not do anything more with it, including winning any WSBK championships. That hasn't been done since Checa on 1098/1198RS. If you look to GP even tho it is proto type machinery there is arguable marketing logic to switching sbk to v4 in that respect also. Twins were/are great bu they moved on.

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Agreed and that was kinda my point. There are a quite a few 4 cylinder bikes to choose from and really only one twin in that performance category. That was what drew me to the 1299. Regardless of the performance gain (power or otherwise) for me the V4 was just another 4 cylinder bike in the lineup of a lot of good 4 cylinder bikes. Its just a different bike but to say that the V4 is way beyond the 99 for me is a bit of a stretch. Again look at the lap times of the two with the same riders. Hardly night and day.

hhuhuh said:

As you guys already know, V4s is much smoother than 1199s.
Less vibration from the engine, smoother sound & power delivery, and more.

A bit wider plastics and a set of wings make comfortable.

Still, it's loud enough to make my neighbor stop by and say hi to me~
Thankfully, he is also a rider and wants to talk about the electronics, mono swing arm, unique sound, etc.

I've been using 'STREET' mode and excited to ride with 'SPORT' mode.

ps. Yeah...it's hot out. Can't ride more than 5 hours...

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Less vibration??? The V4 is a hot vibrating mess riding sportful keeping the revs at 9k and above.

Where is Vesparacer he should chime in and do a breakdown on the V4 vs 99.

Or Prince Albert at least.

No such luck guys. Now that Covid is over Vespa wants to club race and to quote him "Dude, going racing time to get a real bike". Vespa has left the building.

IMHO endodoc managed to arrive to a valid point after a lot of shitalk. It's preference. If you're racing, there's a whole economy to the situation in play beyond the specs and laps times. That's a complex array of network, sponsors, pilot preference, costs & access to parts etc. and all that. To your point, the difference on paper tech specs, is marginal with a whole list of sportbikes these days. We've arrived to a limit of physics for the situation of tire, wheelie / traction control, handling etc.


When you just want to go ride, it's about feel and more abstract things. It's just personal preference and what YOU can do on your bike.
In 2007 Ducati had by far the fastest bike on the MotoGP circuit, and the list of pilots who could make it go faster than all the others was one single positions, Casey Stoner.

The new desmosedici is mounted backwards and a little left, making it one of the only production bikes ever with balanced gyroscopic forces. So it also turns better. It's not a typical 4 cylindar screamer, it's the one and only twin pulse I've ever heard of which means traction advantages are similar to the V2, over the typical inline 4s. So they are working on those physics limits too. But that's not my point.
When I said the "march through to 6th gas pinned down a straight, the V2 can't touch," I mean the feel, the sound, the level of omfg.
But that's just me. You be you.
So why you got to .... on the n00bs?

endodoc said:

Agreed and that was kinda my point. There are a quite a few 4 cylinder bikes to choose from and really only one twin in that performance category. That was what drew me to the 1299. Regardless of the performance gain (power or otherwise) for me the V4 was just another 4 cylinder bike in the lineup of a lot of good 4 cylinder bikes. Its just a different bike but to say that the V4 is way beyond the 99 for me is a bit of a stretch. Again look at the lap times of the two with the same riders. Hardly night and day.

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Endo the problem is that these types have an ego problem, they identify with the brand and/or the accessories to project an image to the world that may not correspond with reality. Lets cut to the chase, most riders wont exploit the full capabilities of their bikes but at least if you are going to do 180 please learn how to stop. I have said many times, people are entitled to enjoy their bikes anyway they want but FFS do the yards and earn the right to boast about speed and skills.

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In the real world so many other things come into it, if i were to go for an upgrade my consideration would be for the V4R as a next bike based on 15,000 and how that may allow finer throttle control and maybe less tire wear that the stump pulling torque monster 1299

Vbreeze said:

I guess I'm missing all those n00b posts.
It's like 12 year olds arguing. All the "my bike is faster (on paper) therefore I'm superior." omfg. No one - I mean I NEVER see anyone bragging, "I am faster"
The fastest street rider I knew in SF could spank the lot of us on a 250, and often did on hwy 1. That's the .... to discuss if there's an ego trip to have.




This thread has everything.

I just can't understand how they could make something this bad. This is bewilderingly bad. The name of a product or business that starts with "My..." and is not Chinese or "My little Pony" is embarrassing. It's like there a war between marketing and everything else at companies, now and then they .... out a thing like this after a survey pointing to its needed existence. gaaaaawd just stop. Delete. Start over.

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This is the pastiche of threads

Good points Paul. Ha it’s all good fellas. Reality is, there are a lot of individuals who live vicariously through something they perceive to be bigger than they are from branded key chains to socks. The “Ducatista” to me, seems slightly more passionate about it to the point of being a bit silly.