Closed to 1st break-in. 500mi on V4s

IMHO endodoc managed to arrive to a valid point after a lot of shitalk. It's preference. If you're racing, there's a whole economy to the situation in play beyond the specs and laps times. That's a complex array of network, sponsors, pilot preference, costs & access to parts etc. and all that. To your point, the difference on paper tech specs, is marginal with a whole list of sportbikes these days. We've arrived to a limit of physics for the situation of tire, wheelie / traction control, handling etc.


When you just want to go ride, it's about feel and more abstract things. It's just personal preference and what YOU can do on your bike.
In 2007 Ducati had by far the fastest bike on the MotoGP circuit, and the list of pilots who could make it go faster than all the others was one single positions, Casey Stoner.

The new desmosedici is mounted backwards and a little left, making it one of the only production bikes ever with balanced gyroscopic forces. So it also turns better. It's not a typical 4 cylindar screamer, it's the one and only twin pulse I've ever heard of which means traction advantages are similar to the V2, over the typical inline 4s. So they are working on those physics limits too. But that's not my point.
When I said the "march through to 6th gas pinned down a straight, the V2 can't touch," I mean the feel, the sound, the level of omfg.
But that's just me. You be you.
So why you got to .... on the n00bs?

endodoc said:

Agreed and that was kinda my point. There are a quite a few 4 cylinder bikes to choose from and really only one twin in that performance category. That was what drew me to the 1299. Regardless of the performance gain (power or otherwise) for me the V4 was just another 4 cylinder bike in the lineup of a lot of good 4 cylinder bikes. Its just a different bike but to say that the V4 is way beyond the 99 for me is a bit of a stretch. Again look at the lap times of the two with the same riders. Hardly night and day.

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I guess the Ducati ABS anti rear lift can't overcome physics...I really wanted to see what riding mode he was in at the settings on the right side of the dash. But, I quickly came to the realization that a 20 something twink getting what he asked for made all of it boring AF.

ETA: This near retard describes it as a high side, or kinda..."

Post collision video...

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.... me...

This moron is everything that is wrong with sports motorcycling in general. His crash was stupid (to be fair a lot are) and is right up there with the cockheads doing wheelies in t shirts and shorts, he was pinning it at night on public road, took the off ramp, panics grabs a handful and dumps it. His front tire shows a wear pattern consistent with the Starbucks GP set.

The nail in the credibility coffin is a clear clutch cover in preference to the stock magnesium one. He drunk deeply from the well of marketing kool aid. For a same fake dry clutch effect print up a sticker put it on the mag cover and carry around a coffee can with some stones to shake whenever you need to impress someone, much cheaper.

The only thing you will learn from this guy is don't be this guy.

Well there ya go. I .... on the noobs because 98% are just like this dip .... who crashed his bike. They come on here with all their hyped up branded, brainwashed marketing BS talking about all the capabilities of the bike all done on professional courses with pro riders. They boast about their fancy EVO software and how fast and dominant the brand is bla bla and where are they on race day, ....... nowhere and track day, lapped by R6s. Ok so the V4 is faster from 0-180.

One ....... eighty. 95% of these clown won’t ever get anywhere near that but they’re going to let you know about it when the Starbucks talk starts. Point is both bikes are fast but completely different but to come in here and imply that the 99s are inferior bikes and imply that the V4 is faster for all but maybe a couple of guys in this board is just the “Ducatista” coming out. Anyhow vbreeze, thanks for posting the numbers.

Endo the problem is that these types have an ego problem, they identify with the brand and/or the accessories to project an image to the world that may not correspond with reality. Lets cut to the chase, most riders wont exploit the full capabilities of their bikes but at least if you are going to do 180 please learn how to stop. I have said many times, people are entitled to enjoy their bikes anyway they want but FFS do the yards and earn the right to boast about speed and skills.

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I guess I'm missing all those n00b posts.
It's like 12 year olds arguing. All the "my bike is faster (on paper) therefore I'm superior." omfg. No one - I mean I NEVER see anyone bragging, "I am faster"
The fastest street rider I knew in SF could spank the lot of us on a 250, and often did on hwy 1. That's the .... to discuss if there's an ego trip to have.

endodoc said:

Well there ya go. I .... on the noobs because 98% are just like this dip .... who crashed his bike. They come on here with all their hyped up branded, brainwashed marketing BS talking about all the capabilities of the bike all done on professional courses with pro riders. They boast about their fancy EVO software and how fast and dominant the brand is bla bla. Ok so the V4 is faster from 0-180.

One ....... eighty. 95% of these clown won’t ever get anywhere near that but they’re going to let you know about it when the Starbucks talk starts. Point is both bikes are fast but completely different but to come in here and imply that the 99s are inferior bikes and imply that the V4 is faster for all but maybe a couple of guys in this board is just the “Ducatista” coming out. Anyhow vbreeze, thanks for posting the numbers.

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This thread has everything.

I just can't understand how they could make something this bad. This is bewilderingly bad. The name of a product or business that starts with "My..." and is not Chinese or "My little Pony" is embarrassing. It's like there a war between marketing and everything else at companies, now and then they .... out a thing like this after a survey pointing to its needed existence. gaaaaawd just stop. Delete. Start over.

Mick1976 said:

The MyDucatiapp will be one of those must have's for the newb V4 owners.

MyDucati APP | Ducati anytime and everywhere

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Vbreeze said:

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In the real world so many other things come into it, if i were to go for an upgrade my consideration would be for the V4R as a next bike based on 15,000 and how that may allow finer throttle control and maybe less tire wear that the stump pulling torque monster 1299

Vbreeze said:

I guess I'm missing all those n00b posts.
It's like 12 year olds arguing. All the "my bike is faster (on paper) therefore I'm superior." omfg. No one - I mean I NEVER see anyone bragging, "I am faster"
The fastest street rider I knew in SF could spank the lot of us on a 250, and often did on hwy 1. That's the .... to discuss if there's an ego trip to have.




This thread has everything.

I just can't understand how they could make something this bad. This is bewilderingly bad. The name of a product or business that starts with "My..." and is not Chinese or "My little Pony" is embarrassing. It's like there a war between marketing and everything else at companies, now and then they .... out a thing like this after a survey pointing to its needed existence. gaaaaawd just stop. Delete. Start over.

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This is the pastiche of threads

Good points Paul. Ha it’s all good fellas. Reality is, there are a lot of individuals who live vicariously through something they perceive to be bigger than they are from branded key chains to socks. The “Ducatista” to me, seems slightly more passionate about it to the point of being a bit silly.

Only reason why I got a V4 instead of a 1299S is I get sent out to sea. Rode a 1299S, absolutely fell in love with everything about it, but then got told surprise bitch you're going out to sea. I told the salesman I was gonna buy the 1299 when I got back. While I was out, we pulled into San Diego the day the V4 was announced. MSRP was roughly exactly the same for the base V4 than the 1299S I was looking at. I figured why not, called the dealer from a ...... barracks room and reserved it 5 minutes after the announcement.

The only differences I could really tell were the ergonomics and low speed tuning. The 1299 had my wrists feeling pressure just 15-20 minutes into the ride, whereas the V4 in its OEM form was more easy on them. The 1299 was also very noticeably more narrow, which is something I wish the V4 had but obviously isn't possible with the motor configuration. The V4 is objectively a better bike for urban riding as it is butter smooth without needing to feather the clutch all the way down to about 15mph. The 1299S felt like it was sputtering and struggling to run if I wasn't feathering the clutch below 30mph.

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I call bs. Look at the numbers 0-50 0-60 0-70 and 0-80

Every other one v4 is quicker AND every other one they claim the twin caught back up?

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If the v4 is 1/2 a second quicker from 100-160 how are quarter mile times damn near identical?

bs

Until you get to dragster level mods pretty much all litre bikes are about the same on the 1/4, you are fighting wheelie, wheelspin etc even a K5 gixxer was 10.5 standard with less power.

The hilarious part is the spilt in those times is well within any reasonable run to run variance.

Paul G said:

Until you get to dragster level mods pretty much all litre bikes are about the same on the 1/4, you are fighting wheelie, wheelspin etc even a K5 gixxer was 10.5 standard with less power.

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Dunno bout that my stock k3 with my lard on it went 10.3

k5 with lighter rider should run 9’s no problem

endodoc said:

Well there ya go. I .... on the noobs because 98% are just like this dip .... who crashed his bike. They come on here with all their hyped up branded, brainwashed marketing BS talking about all the capabilities of the bike all done on professional courses with pro riders. They boast about their fancy EVO software and how fast and dominant the brand is bla bla and where are they on race day, ....... nowhere and track day, lapped by R6s. Ok so the V4 is faster from 0-180.

One ....... eighty. 95% of these clown won’t ever get anywhere near that but they’re going to let you know about it when the Starbucks talk starts. Point is both bikes are fast but completely different but to come in here and imply that the 99s are inferior bikes and imply that the V4 is faster for all but maybe a couple of guys in this board is just the “Ducatista” coming out. Anyhow vbreeze, thanks for posting the numbers.

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^^ This. The old saying used to be torque wins races, horsepower sells cars. I’m sure the “really fast guys” can keep a V4 spooled up and make use of its 220hp, maybe even on a short track. The reality is most of us are never gonna be there.

So here were are. Most of us suck on track, some are quick, very few are qualified to say this is faster than that. From my limited track days the fastest guys at the field have been V2 guys on 10 year old Duc race bikes that look like they’ve spent half their lives racing dirt, lots of rattle can touch up and then there is always the R6 guy with Ohlins and Sharkskins that cleans everyone’s clock by a significant margin.

Most of us here are fortunate enough to be able to afford a Duc and quite honestly probably make a more money than your really fast guy trying to make a career out of racing. So aside from a MotoGP guy showing up at one of our club racing or track days and choosing to do a shootout on two similarly setup bikes, we will never know. Every opinion here is likely just pontification.


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Well said

LOL, this thread went sideways from the OP's main point. And to add to the fun content...

Wow, that Full Carbon V4 Crash guy really messed up his skinny jeans! I will say I learned a lot from him, though. Revzilla is sending me a new clear visor and a carbon fiber riding jacket! My realtor said she can get me a good deal on some full coverage insurance and a paper map of the local road, too! I should be all set thanks to this guy's video!!!! (Thanks for the entertainment, folks.)

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I’ll really stir the pot. These guys seem to think the Ape is better than the V4S. I can only attest to my Ape being VERY forgiving of my mistakes. Yet I still bought a 1299... Hmmm




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Not gonna watch that one either…

Aaron

The Ape might as well be made out of unicorn horns since their dealer network is non-existent here.