Clutchless downshifts

wmcdonal · May 17, 2013

This requires another part.
The Panigale currently uses a speed shifter switch that has a switch inside the little box (On the shaft).
This will kill the power at the slightest movement of the shift lever.
The type shown in the picture uses a strain gauge like you would find in bathroom scales.
This measures pressure on the shift lever.
Having this type of shifter means no false kills of the power as it will only kill power when enough pressure is applied to the lever.
This is also good for the gearbox as it make sure that the shift will go all the way. The switch type can trigger with a small amount of pressure and the shift may only be half way when the power is applied again.
This is very bad for the gearbox and explains the long kill time Ducati use with the standard system.
The Panigale is a bike that begs for track time.
The down shift blip makes a more stable bike on entry to corners.
I recall reading plenty of posts saying that traction control was not needed, that ABS was not needed and quick shifters are only needed for the track.
If we took the view that rider aids detract from the riding experience the Panigale would not be the bike it is today.

WAfatboy · May 17, 2013

wmcdonal said:
This requires another part.
The Panigale currently uses a speed shifter switch that has a switch inside the little box (On the shaft).
This will kill the power at the slightest movement of the shift lever.
The type shown in the picture uses a strain gauge like you would find in bathroom scales.
This measures pressure on the shift lever.
Having this type of shifter means no false kills of the power as it will only kill power when enough pressure is applied to the lever.
This is also good for the gearbox as it make sure that the shift will go all the way. The switch type can trigger with a small amount of pressure and the shift may only be half way when the power is applied again.
This is very bad for the gearbox and explains the long kill time Ducati use with the standard system.
The Panigale is a bike that begs for track time.
The down shift blip makes a more stable bike on entry to corners.
I recall reading plenty of posts saying that traction control was not needed, that ABS was not needed and quick shifters are only needed for the track.
If we took the view that rider aids detract from the riding experience the Panigale would not be the bike it is today.

When will this be ready...

wmcdonal · Jun 8, 2013

The testing on the Multistrada is complete and I am happy with the way it is working.
I will be testing this on the Panigale over the next week.

WAfatboy · Jun 8, 2013

wmcdonal said:
The testing on the Multistrada is complete and I am happy with the way it is working.
I will be testing this on the Panigale over the next week.

Good news, bring on clutchless downshifts for the Panigale!

gatti man · Jun 9, 2013

I need this in my life. COTA is blip city.

Razzzor · Mar 29, 2014

Pretty Sweet!

While researching ECU tuners bumped into this... Tuneboy Auto Blip clutchless downshifting.

Ducati Panigale Auto Blip Down Shifting - YouTube

double0 · Mar 29, 2014

That is awesome!

$$$$$$

centeroff · Mar 29, 2014

You are still going to have to pull the clutch in when you start wheel hopping the back tire from clutchless down shifts under brakeing.

shakazulu12 · Mar 29, 2014

centeroff said:
You are still going to have to pull the clutch in when you start wheel hopping the back tire from clutchless down shifts under brakeing.

The system blips the throttle so that isn't required.

jarelj · Mar 29, 2014

I will let you all know how it works after I get out to our first track day April 19/20th on my 899!

kope999R · Mar 30, 2014

I ve used the Pro shift at long and short tracks now and so far it's worked very well.
I does however require some fine tuning for it to be 100% spot on.
We'll have to increase the blip% to downshift to 2nd.

but it does do what i wanted it to do.. to free up wandwith to do more important things and to avoid potentially costly mistakes.

especially downshifting from 3 to 2nd in a closing radius turn is like supersmooth , keeping the bike very well settled..

Why autoblip in GP and WSBK?

i guess bikes have become too powerfull, so so damn fast and braking so intense that there just is not enough time to blip manually. And frankly those who say they can do it just start braking way too early.. nice for style, not good for time... note that riders now downshift 2 gears at a time as there is not enough time to pump the clutch twice, let alone blip it..

JeffD · Mar 30, 2014

Hell yes, I want this! I've resisted adding any aftermarket ECU mod to my bike but if you can get it to work well, this would tip me over the edge to your product.

Question: would gearing changes affect a global map that you're talking about?

Edit: after thinking about it I think the answer is no, only if the internal ratios were mucked with.

Duck41 · Mar 30, 2014

jarelj said:
I will let you all know how it works after I get out to our first track day April 19/20th on my 899!

Very interested in reading your update. What modifications had to be made to the bike to enable this functionality?

jarelj · Mar 30, 2014

Duck41 said:
Very interested in reading your update. What modifications had to be made to the bike to enable this functionality?

I'll let you know soon, I haven't gotten all of the parts back yet to get it all installed and tested. What I know so far is there's a bi-directional strain gauge quick-shifter switch, which supposedly plugs into the stock harness in place of the OEM switch. You also have to have an exhaust that eliminates the O2 sensors because one of the O2 sensor leads is used as an input for the switch. And the ECU has to be updated to enable the function. There may be more parts or modifications, I'm not sure yet. I'll be out at the track in 3 weeks, I'll see if I can get some video of it working on the track. Or I'll get some really cool video of my transmission exploding if it doesn't work! Ha ha!

Buliwyf · Mar 31, 2014

war69 said:
Damn guys. Call me old school but I enjoy the old school ways of Ill use the clutch. Christ we have cars that park themselves now. I can see where this would be helpful on the track but man are we getting lazy that we don't want to pull in the clutch anymore.Put your ass on the seat start it and go out and ride.Maybe I'm just an old man.

+1. I'm doing track days, not racing. Mastering the blip is part of the thrill/challenge for me. Would be nice to just get the ECU updated to improve throttle response. I haven't really had problems with mine though. I usually wait until rev's sag pretty low before downshifting, so I can leizurely slip a bigger blip. Might be worth trying. I still grab a little clutch.

I took a friend of mine for a ride on an autocross corse with my old Mustang. He was really interested in how I put an autoblipper on my olde car. He had no idea that heel/and toe was possible. (toe and toe for me actually, knee rock style)

If you watch SBK or MotoGP in slow mo, you'll still see plenty of manual blipping and clutching. The computer F's up some of the turns still, even when all turns are custom tuned and the ECU uses GPS to understand what turn it's in.

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