Ducati Corse Oil - Special Oil developed by Shell and Ducati Corse

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motojeff said:
It seems like a cosy commercial arrangement to me. Shell sponsors Ducati, Ducati gets branding on oil. Ducati convinces Shell to cease selling the same oil to the public, Ducati promises to use only Shell at Ducati dealerships. Public can only buy the manufacturers recommended oil, the one Ducati wins with every other weekend, from their Ducati service agent and dealer. Profits all round! Unless you're some bunny like me that has just bought an S2R that needs an oil change and isn't excited by the opportunity to hand over $1200 - $1500 for a 24k service. F@ck that sh!t. So the question us...what oil do you guys use? I have Nulon and Penrite locally available in a full synthetic 15w-50. Thoughts anyone? It has a wet clutch too just to add an extra layer of mystery/misery.
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I would go with 300V and would avoid penrite also avoid any oil with friction additives as this will cause a wet clutch to slip. Where about in perth are you? 300V is pretty easy to get locally
 
SirJAG said:
@Bruce Wayne what do you like about 300V Sir? why do you recommend that one?

JAG
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I have rebuilt a lot of race engines most of them used 300V and what i noticed first was even after the engine sat for a couple of weeks without being run there was still a good film of oil on all the top end component's. Of all the engine's i rebuilt there was a noticeable difference in wear between engine's running 300V and those that were not. Especially in the areas of high load like cam lobes. I am not sponsored by Motul and i pay dealer price, in my opinion it's one of the best on the market, however I haven't used the new Ducati oil to Compare.
 
Oil is cheap, I use 7100 on the street and change it probably way too often. Track demands require a step up but its worth keeping in mind not many cars rev to 15k so 300v and the like are developed with that in mind. There is a huge amount of chemical engineering involved with motor oils that often goes unappreciated. This Corse oil wont be any worse and probably better than most.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I have rebuilt a lot of race engines most of them used 300V and what i noticed first was even after the engine sat for a couple of weeks without being run there was still a good film of oil on all the top end component's. Of all the engine's i rebuilt there was a noticeable difference in wear between engine's running 300V and those that were not. Especially in the areas of high load like cam lobes. I am not sponsored by Motul and i pay dealer price, in my opinion it's one of the best on the market, however I haven't used the new Ducati oil to Compare.
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Sir thank you so much for detailed response. Sent you PM with more silly questions!

JAG
 
I wouldn’t be surprised it this “special” oil is just low viscosity/high anti-friction additive oil to minimize windage. I’d hope they’d disclose the possible negative effects (like wear) and have an appropriate service schedule. I’d imagine maintenance with this oil is even more frequent.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I have rebuilt a lot of race engines most of them used 300V and what i noticed first was even after the engine sat for a couple of weeks without being run there was still a good film of oil on all the top end component's. Of all the engine's i rebuilt there was a noticeable difference in wear between engine's running 300V and those that were not. Especially in the areas of high load like cam lobes. I am not sponsored by Motul and i pay dealer price, in my opinion it's one of the best on the market, however I haven't used the new Ducati oil to Compare.
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Without getting into my background for my opinion about the Ducati oil and why 300V leaves an oil film. 300V is an API Group 5 Ester Synthetic oil. This group of oils are naturally attracted to metal and don’t drain away when the engine is shut off. I too would like to see the MSDS and the SDS for the new Ducati oil. Whoever compared it to Mercedes AMG zero weight oil was not a compliment. Mercedes has long been lying about their oils (Mobil One). 300V 20w/60 or 15w/50 is a very good oil. I prefer Red Line 20w/60 Power Sports or 10w/50 Power Sports. When comparing data sheets Red Line is slightly better. The real key is Ester Synthetic. I suspect the new Ducati oil is API Group 5, but they should prove it. Also, you can use a JASO MA oil in a dry clutch. But you can’t use a non JASO oil in a wet clutch. Whoever mentioned Zinc (ZDDP) with a non catalyst is correct. With no Cat you can crank up the Zinc. Which Red Line does.
 
As quoted from Ducati Omaha for 2 gallons, you get 5 liters per unit.


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In the service manual it states to only pour 3 liters, after a hot drain there's residual .8 liter still in the block.
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So you get an extra liter per unit compared to what the market is used to... and only use 3 of the 5 liters. Where do I send my damn rebate for the 2 unused liters? You do get 2 oil changes from 10 liters...but there's still extra unused. It'll be nice once the market catches up and Motul produces a dry clutch oil
 
Astral11 said:
As quoted from Ducati Omaha for 2 gallons, you get 5 liters per unit.


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In the service manual it states to only pour 3 liters, after a hot drain there's residual .8 liter still in the block.
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So you get an extra liter per unit compared to what the market is used to... and only use 3 of the 5 liters. Where do I send my damn rebate for the 2 unused liters? You do get 2 oil changes from 10 liters...but there's still extra unused. It'll be nice once the market catches up and Motul produces a dry clutch oil
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Motul “300V Factory Line Off Road 15W/60 4T” is API Group 5 Ester synthetic and carries the JASO approval for either Ducati wet or dry clutches. This particular 300V and Red Line Power Sports oils are seriously good oils for anyone without a factory MotoGP or WSBK contract. Don’t forget, the $525 Ducati oil must also be changed every 600 miles. I’m as at least if not more anal about oil than the next guy. But unless you’re flogging the crap out of your engine and have money to burn, the Motul or Red Line changed every 600 miles will definitely get the job done.
If the prices were equal, I would still stick with the Motul or Red Line if riding on the road and occasional track days. Just because the Ducati oil is meant for wide open throttle, doesn’t mean it’s great at stop lights.
 
Pfft

According to the 15w-60 spec sheet, they claim a "2.5% torque increase on launch" and this oil has been out longer than Corse's oil. Sounds pretty close to the 3.5 extra hp Ducati claims

I would bet the Corse oil was made as an answer to this Motul oil specifically, just with Ducati friction modifiers added to the Shell base 15-50. One would assume that would lower the viscosity but yet we have the same weight?
 

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