Ducati Corse Oil - Special Oil developed by Shell and Ducati Corse

Even though this thread and this oil are quite ridiculous they are not as ridiculous as the notion that this oil was developed with contingencies for an oil leak in mind.

Astral11 said:

Andy this forum is quadrupal redundant to your info. You repeated everything I said and as always add nothing of relevance to a conversation. You don't even own a R so your comments are pointless related to this clutch or oil, you use neither. I'll dig to China if needed to prove a point. We now have people with knowledge of the seal package needing to be upgraded. I think that's gold in the hole. Any debate there?

Thank you JOS and Sutki, that is some great on seal packages being upgraded over the past few years. I would suspect it would be an upgraded labyrinth seal.

The seal package/leak path was in question, due to the new oil being dry specific. The forum wasn't sure if/how the new oil helps to manage clutch dust blow by controlling the dust with friction modifiers, and where the extra 3.5hp comes from. A few S owners got caught up on the mention of the wet clutch and that somehow took topic

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Yeah as you are saying the special oil was developed to clear away the clutch dust debris ….. be assured I’m not repeating that…

and what's having an R got to do with anything`?

Alkhater said:

Even though this thread and this oil are quite ridiculous they are not as ridiculous as the notion that this oil was developed with contingencies for an oil leak in mind.

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or for gathering clutch dust from a dry clutch..

Questioning a new oil that is made, that's the purpose of this thread. I'm glad to hear everyone's "expert" opinions. It seems there just a few that consider their own opinion over relevant information to a bike they don't own, or hesitant to go into the details of performance but don't know the engine build. I suggest you take your sorry wet clutch elsewhere and let the R owners continue to educate this thread. If you want to join this conversation buy a dry clutch and read an MSDS. As of right now we have more info on this thread, from R owners, compared to empty comments. And I did not say the oil was made specifically to control clutch dust, I suspected it was due to seal package (and it has been since the seals have been upgraded as of 2023) and sought construction criticism or helpful information regarding the added friction modifiers to stock 15w-50, if they helped control the clutch dust, and the claim behind 3.5hp. As far as R owners, the seal packages have been upgraded as of 2023 and we're back to square 1 of using any* lightweight oil.

On a completely separate note and where the thread got off topic, one would assume clutch slippage is basic info, but some think that's all to be said. Fill oil, push clutch, pull gas, that seems to be the a train of thought on this clutch debate or motorcycle performance in general. Do you think we need your comment about oil weights related to clutch slippage if we run a dry clutch? I'll double down this quid on a nag with 3 left feet....

Im in then.....

now ive qualified why don't you read the thread back realise not only what drivel you are talking but how many people are saying what drivel you are talking of which most is wrong and the rest of it doesn't even make sense!

Please quote me on drivel

How much did you pay the dealer to install it for you?

Astral11 said:

On a completely separate note and where the thread got off topic, one would assume clutch slippage is basic info, but some think that's all to be said. Fill oil, push clutch, pull gas, that seems to be the a train of thought on this clutch debate or motorcycle performance in general. Do you think we need your comment about oil weights related to clutch slippage if we run a dry clutch? I'll double down this quid on a nag with 3 left feet....

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All this time I’ve been pulling the clutch and twisting the gas. Damn.

And I don’t have an R (anymore) or an S, just a base. But it has a dry clutch! So, am I in or out?

ah bless you are getting personal now...... weak!

Astral11 said:

Obviously it's dry. What's being debated is the friction modifiers added to dilute the clutch dust generated

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there you go drivel!

craig bush said:

All this time I’ve been pulling the clutch and twisting the gas. Damn.

And I don’t have an R (anymore) or an S, just a base. But it has a dry clutch! So, am I in or out?

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youre in bruv,......... now who fitted it and how much did you pay....

Well let me send out a beer, if there's info to debate I don't mind and any V4 with a dry clutch is relevant to this thread! I had a bone stock 959 before a V4 so I'm not knocking the choice of hardware on any bike

And the clutch dust is not drivel, you missed a few others mentioning the seals! Granted who knows if the oil pertains to any clutch dust, it may or may not, only Corse knows why the seal package was updated

Astral11 said:

Well let me send out a beer, if there's info to debate I don't mind and any V4 with a dry clutch is relevant to this thread! I had a bone stock 959 before a V4 so I'm not knocking the choice of hardware on any bike

And the clutch dust is not drivel, you missed a few others mentioning the seals! Granted who knows if the oil pertains to any clutch dust, it may or may not, only Corse knows why the seal package was updated

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You and the R seal package literally joined this month lol...

Why don't you calm down a bit?

@andyb do you even R?

Clutch dust is like bulldust, irrelevant unless you are a true believer (and dont have a filter).... but wow even I am impressed at $500 oil changes on a bike, TBF it's not a Veyron (going rate about $25,000 to change the oil!)

Sorry for you to get caught in the wake while the R titanium intake valves purr...

I've been riding Ducati since 2017, my 959 has to count for something man lol. 3 years off the map with a V4 until I discovered this treasure trove of information called Ducatiforum, where have you all been my life?! And such a welcoming community when we post PDFs and MSDSs for constructive criticism, sorry if I spilled my latte coming through

Nobody’s caught in your wake dude but you seem very caught in the only R in town… oh and not only that but you’re actually caught in it’s “special “ oil that you don’t even have.

Now until you do get this special oil make sure that seal package is taken care of and doing it’s job

You must of missed this entire discussion over the details aside from the clutch dust, but yea thank you for the opinion and supporting Andy. If you re-read the thread for the oil details you'll see I'm correct regardless of clutch dust/leak path tangent

Astral11 said:

So we have the "dry clutch oil", made by Ducati. No one questions the dry clutch portion, with changes at 600 miles regardless. Someone please claim Ducati is wrong by that or explain their reasoning behind such a bold statement of a dry clutch oil, since folks seem to think that term doesn't apply

We have a wet clutch oil, that circulates said wet clutch oil, in with motor oil, so we're still "cleaning" a a wet clutch and using contaminated oil from the clutch that is made regardless if it's wet or dry. That's why you change the engine oil at intervals, correct?

So please tell me, why is there a "wet clutch" oil, aside from the obvious fact the clutch utilizes the oil weights while at rpm/pressure. These oils are almost a marketing gimmick for the uneducated and you pad pockets by not doing your research, but you get what you pay for/want when you do the research

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I missed this pearl of wisdom.

It's not about the clutch dust lol... this oil is pathetic. It's a pay more to pay more even sooner topic for 3 hp?

Anyway... did you know that the oil weight you're referring to has nothing to do with weight?

W in oil stands for winter not weight... and the numbers indicate the viscosity of the oil at those temperatures.

As mentioned previously... there's nothing special about "dry clutch" oil because as the name suggests... it doesn't need oil. Wet clutches on the other hand need friction modifier additives so they don't slip.

I hope that helps.

Lastly, no sensible person is going to use this oil on a regular basis unless money is no object so there's really no need to delve deep into its science... I mean marketing.

I didn’t take it as ‘dry clutch oil’ but rather a type of oil requiring a dry clutch.

I think it’s really only interesting to race teams who likely change the oil at that frequency already.