Yep, just keep telling yourself that and everything will be fine.And the 2-series is the only BMW worth having. The rest are just high powered 4000+ pound grocery getters.
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Ducati makes limited V2 Corse (aka Bayliss tribute)
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Wrong. The "shapeshifter" geometry changer is all hydraulic. Electronic suspension was banned in MotoGP.
The story behind Ducati’s new MotoGP shapeshifter
Adjustable geometry is a bike racing holy grail – Ducati’s new shapeshifting device is the latest stab at achieving it, and probably more top speed as well
www.motorsportmagazine.com
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I made the mistake of showing @endodoc 's comments and was graced with this nonsense. I don't get why he's so butt hurt over "parts-bin" Ducatis? To each his own... The more Ducatis sold the better for all of us. Every year the bikes get faster and better. A Bayliss V2 will run circles around a chi-chi tricked out $57k Bayliss 1098R. Also guess how much a Bayliss 1098R will run you these days... Coincidence that it'll run you $21k??? [Cue X-Files theme music]
Actually the bikes get worse and are not much faster. The "parts bin" is actually pretty legit and the factory is a complete failure with everything going back to the start of the 99's.
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Explain.
Not true, the 1199 guys like to .... on the entry level stuff as well 1199/1299 its all good. To me, not much difference in the 1199 and the 1299. Both great bikes and both bikes dwarf 99% of the ability of the guys riding them. Looks wise, 1098 is my favorite or maybe the Desmo.
This new crop of crap is just that, crap unless you don't know what crap looks like. If you are fortunate enough to get to work around "the good stuff" crap becomes very apparent. Parts, hardware, electrical components, OEM vs real Ohlins etc. Mick is correct in his assessment as he has owned a top shelf 1098 and 1199 so he actually has a bit of "stick" to talk. He as built 80K bikes as have I and a few others on this board. If you don't have experience with quality then the conversation is not relevant. What is relevant from the perspective of the new V2 is that they used V4 inspired styling to specifically make it look like the flagship bike and if you dont know any better, it worked. No different that a chick with a knock off Louis.
I saw the V2 when it first arrived at Ducati NPB. Its a cheap bike. Its that simple. It looks nice but the bike itself is typical of whats being put out. The argument is pretty simple and Ducati spells it out for you. The fact that there is 80+K difference between their top shelf bike and the base V2, pretty much solidifies that you if buy a V2 or even worse that complete POS 950 SS (I swear that thing is made in Beijing) it's because you want to own a Ducati. At the lower end, you could have had a much better bike in another brand so you're buying brand and Ducati has your number. Anyhow, yep no comparison between the 1098 Bayliss and this .... soup knock off. Maybe Koenigsegg will make a 2 door wagon then you can get that key fob as well.
So, your contention is my $5,000 1980 dollars 900SS is a better bike than a new 950SS? And my $11,000 1992 dollar 851 is a better bike than a new 950 SS? And my $15,000 95 dollar 916 is a better bike than a V2? And my $24,000 1998 dollar 916 SPS is a better bike than an new Panigale V4? And my $30,000 2005 dollar 999R is a better bike than my 2020 V4S 916 Aniversario? Sorry. No. You are incorrect. They are all great bikes and great bikes in their day but thinking the newer bikes are inferior is like thinking the best Ferrari ever made is an F40. While it may be your favorite, with good reason, it doesn’t make what followed “crap”
Absolutely correct. Swing for the fence or play co-ed softball but don't wear the same jerseys. BMW and Mercedes stats are fairly consistent and tell the story. 87% of people who buy or lease that stay in the brand trade up. So the guy who says "nope, I wanted the C300 didn't. No one wants a 300 or 2 series BMW or a Pathfinder. Given the choice of a free car, everyone's picking the high end. If your going to be a high end brand then be one. This whole " were going to put a Ducati in every garage cheapened the .... out of what was a premium brand or maybe it was never a premium brand. And JSR, personally I as would many others take a 999R any day over the 916 V4. Iconic bike with a lot of trick parts vs a stock showroom bike with a fancy paint job.
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If you look a stock SL 1199, 1299 and even a V4SL is no different they all have the same junk parts supplied from the factory. They have taken it to a whole new level with the V4SL that bike doesn't even have $50k worth of parts there. Take any motor, chassis and a swingarm put $80k of good parts into it build it up now you got a bike. The factory should have done that years ago but they just want the customer to think they are actually getting something its a absolute .... storm.
Endodoc, so , again, you are telling me, if Ducati was selling a brand new 2005 999R in 2021(even if they could, never minding regulations) for $43,000 (rough equivalent to $30k in the 2005 lineup) you would buy that bike and spend $43k on it rather than the same or less for something in the current line? Cause if you can honestly say yes then I bow before your convictions.
That's what I thought, I ride with a Bayliss and its wicked fast. Not only that it makes the 1299 look decidedly "cheap" in terms of its accoutrements, don't get me wrong the 1299 is nice but its not at the same level, the only improvement the Bayliss needs is robby moto triples and a carbon tank
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Yeah I get it now. The old rich slow (at least admitted by endo many times) guys want ducati to be koenigsegg not mercs or bimmers. They want to feel special to have a brand that no one else can have. So they hate on the brand even though there are much worse bikes out there. Actually... I dont get it. That's ok though, I'll just keep kicking ... on my peasant "S" model and be happy that I have an amazing machine.
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