So what is actually failing, and under what kind of use?
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So what is actually failing, and under what kind of use?
Never seen that before. I thought the hook was free money to finance a model that wasn’t selling well where they had too much inventory on hand
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Maybe that's what they do in NZ but not in the U.S.
If you get a 0% loan for 5yrs, the sum of your 60 month payments equals the loan amount for the cost of the bike/car only. There's no additional fees for establishing the loan or being forced to go with their preferred insurer or whatever. It's a free loan til the vehicle is paid off. These kinds deals are hard to come by, especially on a motorcycle of any brand. Usually for a shorter term (24, 36 or 48 months) with a balloon payment at the end of the loan. Even with folks who have money, it's almost a waste not go finance a free loan. Even if I had 20k to buy a bike in cash, I'd much rather spend that 20k in parts or better yet, not spend it at all. It would be much easier to accept a $320/mo. set payment rather than droppin 20k at once. I'd finance it every time.
While it sounds good, an often forgotten fact always gets left out of the equation and that is the psychology of diminishing returns. Yes the bike cost the same however with most situations the “newness” at some point diminishes.
With a single payment, it’s over and done. You hear it all the time when the luster wears off “yep and I’m still making payments”.
On the other hand, doing the monthly thing allows you to keep cash reserves for something you need need or an opportunity should one arise.
This situation is a rare exception however as most Americans don’t have the cash so financing is necessary. Personally, my companies pay cash for everything and I write it off. I do lease one of our cars but I pay the entire lease for the term up front so I don’t see an invoice. On a bad day when I rant about not needing the thing, at least I’m not staring at that invoice every month as a constant reminder of buyers remorse.
on an off topic but relevant in the scheme of things, financing back in the day was almost exclusive to real estate of business infrastructure.
Today you can finance a can of soda. The ability to purchase what you don’t have the ability to pay for is why the overwhelming majority of Americans are broke. Most Americans don’t own the clothes on their back, the bank does. Slaves to the very end.
With a single payment, it’s over and done. You hear it all the time when the luster wears off “yep and I’m still making payments”.
On the other hand, doing the monthly thing allows you to keep cash reserves for something you need need or an opportunity should one arise.
This situation is a rare exception however as most Americans don’t have the cash so financing is necessary. Personally, my companies pay cash for everything and I write it off. I do lease one of our cars but I pay the entire lease for the term up front so I don’t see an invoice. On a bad day when I rant about not needing the thing, at least I’m not staring at that invoice every month as a constant reminder of buyers remorse.
on an off topic but relevant in the scheme of things, financing back in the day was almost exclusive to real estate of business infrastructure.
Today you can finance a can of soda. The ability to purchase what you don’t have the ability to pay for is why the overwhelming majority of Americans are broke. Most Americans don’t own the clothes on their back, the bank does. Slaves to the very end.
Same demographic on BMW’s and full size HD’s perhaps with less or different brand snobbery. All the manufacturers in this niche need to make more accessible, ie cheaper high performance bikes that your average 20-30 something with kids and a mortgage can afford and create future generations of riders. The big 4 are way ahead of HD and the EU brands on this. It’s great to have a “halo” model, but just as with Porsche it’s the more utilitarian models (and VW group) that’s keeping them afloat and able to produce 911’s and a stock V2 or V4 is a hell of a lot closer to a SP Corse than a Macan is to a GT3 RS
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This is a terrible comparison.
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Whatever- since when has a Ducati been a "pile of junk"? Even the hipster Scamblers are pretty well out together. I ordered Baylis. I think its sexy as.... I'll be tracking it. I won't be a garage Queen.
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I think he’s trying to say that an SP is just a few upgrades to a V4 with same basic platform (superbike). But a GT3 is a whole different platform and serves a different purpose (track car vs very capable SUV).
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Definitely not the same guy. Endo is just a wealthy individual with connections to unobtaniums with a DIY skillset and has exposure to parts that differ from oem so his opinion is based off his own experiences.
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Or just weak and petty (as are most people inclined to cruelty).
Interesting. The only time my bikes get ridden is on track, and they allow me to post there.
Why would anyone ask DucatiKev when we could just ask you? Lol
Sometimes I think a guy who is 140lbs soaking wet has a fat mouth behind a keyboard.
The point is Ducati needs to make and sell lots of affordable motorcycles to support the development of GP and WSBK bikes and teams. Consumers benefit from the trickle down technology. They are great bikes for 95% plus of those who buy them, not junk parts bins specials. The real halo bikes are the homogelation models that are the basis of WBSK. If that was all Ducati sold they’d be out of business and racing
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1. Clutch hydraulics at 1500 miles of street use
2. Gear position sensors. Street or track.
3. My shifter rattled off at 1,000 street miles (hasn’t rattled off again since I properly tightened it)
4. Well known issue with these bikes stalling when coming to a stop. (Aftermarket tune fixes it)
Can go on more but think the point is made. Steeet or track is isn’t relevant considering the bike is marketed as “race inspired”
love the v4 but it has its share of ........ issues
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That makes sense. Scrambler and Multistrada keep the lights on.
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Aren’t these covered by warranty in the first 3 yrs despite mileage?
Also these problems prevalence is exacerbated on the forum bc you don’t hear about when a bike runs normally.
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Sick burn. Ya got me
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2yrs
Also, some of these issues along with others were a pretty common thing on the 1x99 models. Clearly Ducati doesn't think it's enough of a problem to try n remedy.
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Not the point if they are covered under warranty. This stuff just shouldn’t happen on a new bike period.
Of course you don’t hear about issues when they are not issues. What is your point or are you just going to sit here and defend your beloved Ducati for not knowing how to design simple hydraulics or prevent bikes from stalling ?
I mean I’ll deal with the issues but I’ll still ..... about it lol
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