It's not much man I am guessing your financing that thing? I generally start off with a $25-30k motor then the rest the parts are top shelf some the parts not even available to the general public so all my builds are far from anything you've seen.
Ducati makes limited V2 Corse (aka Bayliss tribute)
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So what exactly is your point? That you have tons of cash to throw at expensive bikes, while maybe some others don’t? So you come out here rain on everyone’s parade? That’s pretty ...... man. Why don’t you just go back to your garage full of expensive unobtainable bikes and leave us alone to enjoy the bikes we can afford and love.
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Ya know, they are all just motorcycles, and even a top shelf, whatever that is, Ducati is still a cheap lookalike of a real WBSK or GP bike. When I pick this up it will be my first Duck. Mainly BMW’s, a few Guzzi’s, Harleys, Kawasaki’s, Honda’s, Yamahas. Had expensive sports cars, and at the end of the day I love the Everyman accessibility and smiles per dollar of motorcycles. I have gravitated towards European bikes in the last two decades because I like the design and character. I actually liked the HD’s I owned, but didn’t like the vibe of the riders. I like the character of big twin engines, horizontal or vertical. Hope I like the people as much, but if not I’m sure Ducati has killer hospitality tents and pavilions
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So this is all about perspective. Just because you build some higher priced custom bikes does not mean everyone else’s stock bikes are junk. I’m not quite following the logic there.
Now the better conversation to have is to discuss the quality of what Ducati is putting on these bikes and charging a premium for. A lot of this .... should not be the case on a bike at these price points. I do agree with the number stamping sentiments on how Ducati markets but they do it because there are plenty that fall for it.
1. v4 clutch hydraulics, garbage, outright embarrassing to have to bleed all the time and have them fail randomly. Friends on jap bikes all laugh at me. Shame on Ducati and Brembo.
2. stock quick shifter and gear sensor. Garbage and again a stain on the brand.
3. Ohlins suspension. Charged a premium for it on an S or R but isn’t all that impressive.
Im sure there is more that im missing too
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So I am guessing you don't have much going on either so what are you currently building? I think some of you guys belong over at Duc Modified pretty sure Howard would welcome you guys with open arms.
Yeah good point so 1, 2 and 3 good topics to bring up since the junk supplies from the factory that fails or just plain does not work especially on a high level of performance. The fan boy club would never understand the difference of a properly setup bike that would never have reliability issues vs one of these factory failures which are stacked up waiting to get fixed at the dealer.
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Umm bro wait till you run into the average ducatista, worse than HD riders.
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Bingo, it almost feels such poor quality that no legit manufacturer would design parts so badly unless they wanted the bike to sit in the shop.
When you spend near 30k on a bike from a brand like Ducati you kind of don’t expect this type of .... so if this is why you say these are junk I would agree with you.
It really all depends where your roots are. I would say that most people even the high rollers don’t know what the good stuff is outside of their circles. The 100k V4SL to the layman and even the high end sport bike enthusiasts is epic but bring in a guy who plays with 30 dollar fasteners, 40k suspension pieces etc all day and that showroom bike is a pile of OEM junk.
If you’re an engineer and you work around “the good stuff” (materials) it’s all junk from a quality of materials perspective. I walk into a dealership and for me it’s all pretty to look at but my background isn’t aesthetics it really expensive materials and parts, that’s where I came from so the components that make up all the bikes in that dealership are subpar and of poor quality no matter what the brand is or what bike it is.
Doesn’t mean for 95% of bike buyers that the V2 Isn’t nice bike. I unfortunately at times look at everything from a quality of parts and workmanship perspective which is why I’m a builder not a buyer and that’s everything from homes to planes.
My first job was at an AC Cobra kit car company co- owned by Dan Gurney. I was spoiled with very expensive parts and tools at an early age. Hard to appreciate off the shelf stuff with that kind of early exposure but at the same time, I hardly expect someone not coming from that background to understand why I wouldn’t personally be interested in the “public” stuff. Everyone has their own gig.
If you’re an engineer and you work around “the good stuff” (materials) it’s all junk from a quality of materials perspective. I walk into a dealership and for me it’s all pretty to look at but my background isn’t aesthetics it really expensive materials and parts, that’s where I came from so the components that make up all the bikes in that dealership are subpar and of poor quality no matter what the brand is or what bike it is.
Doesn’t mean for 95% of bike buyers that the V2 Isn’t nice bike. I unfortunately at times look at everything from a quality of parts and workmanship perspective which is why I’m a builder not a buyer and that’s everything from homes to planes.
My first job was at an AC Cobra kit car company co- owned by Dan Gurney. I was spoiled with very expensive parts and tools at an early age. Hard to appreciate off the shelf stuff with that kind of early exposure but at the same time, I hardly expect someone not coming from that background to understand why I wouldn’t personally be interested in the “public” stuff. Everyone has their own gig.
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If you don’t like it, then don’t buy it. Simple as that. You ..... who think it’s a zero sum game are the worst.
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you’re missing the point dude. I actually love the bike, just not the subpar quality parts that plague the bike with issues. Your logic is flawed, I like the bike and it should run reliably and not have failing parts within the first 8 months if ownership. As an owner you shouldn’t just have to suck it up, Ducati should own up and act like a premium brand.
Relax there killer, I own a parts bin V4S, was in the boat with you, not sure what your problem is. I guess anything negative someone says about Duacti warrants your wrath?
hehe, yeah just save yourself come money and buy a sticker set of ali express and boom youve got a "Bayliss", .... it why not invent the "Stoner" or the "Smart" or even the "Miller" its only a sticker job away
Yeah point is you could go buy a 99, V2, V4 or a V4SL any one them pos bikes would be in the shop the first week you rode it off the show room floor.
Yeah man a "sticker" set would save these fan boy members alot of trouble thats for sure lol
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Wow, awesome experience!
Re: the v4 SL, Brad and I were pitted next to one this weekend at COTA. Ridiculous that a $100k bike has the same motor, suspension, brakes, electronics, and hardware as it’s $40k sibling.
It’s all about ignorance. Ignorance isn’t “stupid” it’s uniformed or currently, uneducated. If when educated the individual continues to maintain an uneducated posture then they are either at the point of psychologically manipulating themselves to favor a specific position or they are just stupid.
Consumer goods manufacturers are well skilled at manipulation and that’s really all this “look alike” stuff is. The endorsers don’t use the stuff they sell, wealthy individuals don’t use the cheap products they sell to you. They use your money spent on their cheap stuff to buy good stuff for themselves.
As a rule and in general, you need to “hunt for the good stuff” and you need connections to get the “really good stuff”. If it’s available OTC or to the general public, it’s sub par and that goes for just about everything. Unfortunately for much of the wealthy, they wouldn’t know “the good stuff” if it ran over them. It’s an acquired skill set.
To 98% of motorcycles enthusiasts, there would be little if difference in perception between these two forks yet there is a 18k price difference.
The less expensive fork is laden with salesmanship to include “race inspired” and “Ohlins, the choice of Motogp”
The vast majority think that fork is the same fork they see going around the track in Sunday when the real “race fork isn’t even in the Ohlins catalog and has limited availability if you could even source it. You are as equipped as you are educated.
The less expensive fork is laden with salesmanship to include “race inspired” and “Ohlins, the choice of Motogp”
The vast majority think that fork is the same fork they see going around the track in Sunday when the real “race fork isn’t even in the Ohlins catalog and has limited availability if you could even source it. You are as equipped as you are educated.
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