Ducati or Rossi

TurboLag said:

Why I wonder?

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Not that he's a Spaniard as that's part of my heritage. It's that he was never a team player from the beginning of his MotoGP career.
He didn't have a chance of the title but he still went ahead and almost destroyed Hayden's run at the title when Hayden was leading the season. Not a good teammate in my book. Hayden was lucky that Rossi cracked and he still won the title.
HRC has never been a favorite of mine and the way they still favored Pedrobot after Hayden won the title really turned me away from them. The only HRC riders I've rooted for since then has been Stoner and Marquez.
So far my curse on Pedrobot is standing strong.

Twistedracer said:

Not that he's a Spaniard as that's part of my heritage. It's that he was never a team player from the beginning of his MotoGP career.
He didn't have a chance of the title but he still went ahead and almost destroyed Hayden's run at the title when Hayden was leading the season. Not a good teammate in my book. Hayden was lucky that Rossi cracked and he still won the title.
HRC has never been a favorite of mine and the way they still favored Pedrobot after Hayden won the title really turned me away from them. The only HRC riders I've rooted for since then has been Stoner and Marquez.
So far my curse on Pedrobot is standing strong.

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Yea, not a big fan of HRC either after they crapped on Colin Edwards. Guy kicks ass on the RC51 for a couple seasons and wins the SBK title and then boom to the curb...

Tough question Mark, I'm not a fanboy of any one manufacturer or rider so what would I like to see more...

1) Rossi win title #10? Now, I think that would be a great achievement for him and fun to watch but with Maverick showing so much speed in testing I think his window of opportunity may have passed...

2) JLo win a title on the Duc? I think JLo is a very talented and top rider for sure and for him to win it on the Ducati would be epic for him and the brand...but I don't think he can make the adjustment with the new bike this year to win the title. I would say he may have a chance next year. Not a big fan of his personality...

3) Twisted's option, Ducati wins the title? I think this is what I'd like to see happen. Not for being a fanboy of the brand but to have new blood on top of HRC and Yamaha and to provide better overall excitement and racing to the MotoGP series as a whole.

Since that's not an option for the poll I'll settle for JLo on the Ducati but not voting for either of them specifically.

Jeez ok. Mark, your just plain obsessed with VR. No other way to put it. Not sure why this guy is in your head and has a relentless grip on your psychology but he obviously does. To state that VR is over rated as a motorcycle rider implies that you have either suffered a cerebral vascular accident or you have just lost touch with reality. The guy has won 7 premier class championships and 5 of those were in a row so your assessment of his skill sets is truly a reflection of something far more disturbing and sinister that you have manifested in your own head. Nuff said. As far as riders and brands go, for me its neither. Anyone who has seen my bikes can attest to the fact that no matter if it is a Honda or a Ducati that no where on any bike that I own will you find a brand logo of any kind. All my bikes are completely void of branding. I like all motorcycles. As far as riders go, same deal. Anyone who rides in WSBK or MotoGP or any professional organization is in my book, a damn good rider. I do not have a favorite in any sense. I do not find it necessary to align myself with an identity other than myself and I have never had the slightest bit of idle worship. I have never had a football jersey with another persons name on it either. That being said the only motogp Champion that I am not particularly fond of is Hayden. 2006 he won 2 races and never backed up that season in any sanction. Hayden had 3 wins in 13 motogp seasons despite being on arguably the top GP team for many of those seasons.Rossi won 5 races in 06 and handed Hayden the title with a crash. If you want to talk about over rated, I would probably start there rather than VR.

Twistedracer said:

Not that he's a Spaniard as that's part of my heritage. It's that he was never a team player from the beginning of his MotoGP career.

He didn't have a chance of the title but he still went ahead and almost destroyed Hayden's run at the title when Hayden was leading the season. Not a good teammate in my book. Hayden was lucky that Rossi cracked and he still won the title.

HRC has never been a favorite of mine and the way they still favored Pedrobot after Hayden won the title really turned me away from them. The only HRC riders I've rooted for since then has been Stoner and Marquez.

So far my curse on Pedrobot is standing strong.

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I believe Danny has relatives at repsol that may explain why HRC supported him over nicky. I didn't see that when Stoner got there nor do I see that now with marquez but who really knows


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I follow the team, not an individual.

That being said, Rossi should have retired years ago.

Rossi without a moment of hesitation. I would like to see him win 10. You mention that the die hard Rossi fans pick on Stoner. Not in my case. I loved watching Stoner race. Be nice if he was still in it.

And Rossi to win this weekend.

PS. And Mark you never did say whether you liked my workshop calendar.

Im a fan of the sport. I like all the riders and the bikes. What I dont like is personal opinions based on something that mathematically makes no sense.

Retired years ago? What $&# planet do you live on? The guy finished 2nd in the worlds premier motorcycle championship the last 3 years. Yep, completely washed up. Not competitive at all. WTF is wrong with people.

endodoc said:

Im a fan of the sport. I like all the riders and the bikes. What I dont like is personal opinions based on something that mathematically makes no sense.

Retired years ago? What $&# planet do you live on? The guy finished 2nd in the worlds premier motorcycle championship the last 3 years. Yep, completely washed up. Not competitive at all. WTF is wrong with people.

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you are making too much sense and using logic.

Cazzo said:

I follow the team, not an individual.

That being said, Rossi should have retired years ago.

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As Endodoc said, why do you say Rossi should have retired years ago ?

He did come second in the last 3 years.

I guess if your not first...your last.

bradp51 said:

Rossi without a moment of hesitation. I would like to see him win 10. You mention that the die hard Rossi fans pick on Stoner. Not in my case. I loved watching Stoner race. Be nice if he was still in it.

And Rossi to win this weekend.

PS. And Mark you never did say whether you liked my workshop calendar.

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no i said the die hard ducati fan thats also a rossi fan bashes stoner. that is what makes no sense to me.

as far as your calendar goes how do i see it? you mentioned it before please show me.

Is Casey Stoner still a Full/ part time MotoGP Competitor
Guess I'm not connecting his relevance in 2016

Well actually, that is somewhat of an interesting comment. Stoner says he retired because he wanted to spend more time with his family and not on the road with the busy schedule of a motogp season however I seem to see him every time I look inside a Ducati garage. He will be at every motogp race this season and is quite involved in many aspects of Ducati's affairs. Not sure how this equates to "more time with the family". Seems a bit odd. Looks more like he was just done competing for whatever reason so the critics are now faced with the never ending "what if's". The bottom line is that if he is really done, we are left with the numbers to tell the story and the story is simple. He will go down as a great rider and a motogp champion but not remotely close in terms of relevance to VR. Personally I think the comparison is a bit trite. The guy had a great thing going and quit. He did not handle adversity well at all and for VR, he was easy to F with. As a pure rider, he may well be more talented than VR but as a complete package from a global industry and career perspective, He is not remotely close. His career numbers, earnings and global economic impact on Motogp and the motorcycle industrial complex are just not comparable to 46 and no I am not a rossi fan by any means. I just look at numbers and statistics.
Same with # 93. Will MM go on to eclipse VR in terms numbers, earnings and global motorcycle economic impact? probably but what if he crashes tomorrow and pulls a Ben Spies?. The point is all you tangibly have is what you have today and today, VR is by far the most significant motorcycle racer of all time period and by a large margin so until it happens, its really not debatable.

^ well put.

Stoners numbers are better than rossi numbers for the time he was there. Don't forget same exact bike rossi was 3 seconds slower. Rossi is an Over rated has been. Plenty of proof and stats so you are correct there is no debate rossi is over rated always was always will be
As far as significant rider yes he WAS very important to gp for a time. He was the gravy train so gp kept him winning. That time has long passed. Gp will be better off when he is gone.


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weltonrk said:

Is Casey Stoner still a Full/ part time MotoGP Competitor

Guess I'm not connecting his relevance in 2016

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The point was that Ducati fans will bash Stoner yet he is the only gp rider for Ducati to have success and actually win a championship on the Ducati. There was no mention of Stoner being relevant today as he doesn't race. He's only relevant to Ducati because the factory riders say the bike can't do this or that and Stoner who rides part time is as fast or faster.


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If they both died today.

Rossi's win column, larger
Rossi's championship count, larger
Rossi's fan base larger.
Rossi's trophy room, larger
Rossi's bank account, larger
Rossi's marketing clout, larger
Rossi's endorsement deals, larger
Rossi's business enterprise, larger
Ducati made more $$ while Rossi was loosing on that bike than Stoner made them winning on it.


Mark419ny, OWNED. AGAIN. Get over it. Your just a punching bag at this point. Seriously you need a bit of recurrency training in mathematics and statistics. I was going to throw spelling and grammar in there but I think that fat lady sang long ago.

endodoc said:

If they both died today.

Rossi's win column, larger
Rossi's championship count, larger
Rossi's fan base larger.
Rossi's trophy room, larger
Rossi's bank account, larger
Rossi's marketing clout, larger
Rossi's endorsement deals, larger
Rossi's business enterprise, larger
Ducati made more $$ while Rossi was loosing on that bike than Stoner made them winning on it.


Mark419ny, OWNED. AGAIN. Get over it. Your just a punching bag at this point. Seriously you need a bit of recurrency training in mathematics and statistics. I was going to throw spelling and grammar in there but I think that fat lady sang long ago.

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Now Ed be careful throwing stones there. You cannot spell to save yourself. You have a spelling mistake in this post. You actually make a lot of spelling mistakes in your posts. Not that it really matters but you cannot throw a stone at Marky boy when you are in a glass house.

Now a separate point. For Ed. I think that Stoner handled adversity very well. He hated the promotion side of things and still put up with it for a few years. I think he did well to ride so well when he had the lactose intolerance issue. He also rode some races with injuries. I would say that is overcoming adversity.

mark419ny said:

no i said the die hard ducati fan thats also a rossi fan bashes stoner. that is what makes no sense to me.

as far as your calendar goes how do i see it? you mentioned it before please show me.

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I will have to find the post. It was just a joke. Its a VR46 calendar I stuck in my garage. I put a pic of it in here somewhere but cannot find it now. The moment is gone.