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...b/c sadly selling this for $600 is far easier to achieve and more lucrative. I wonder how many people who don't get paid to ride a motorcycle will even notice if it doesn't work.
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...b/c sadly selling this for $600 is far easier to achieve and more lucrative. I wonder how many people who don't get paid to ride a motorcycle will even notice if it doesn't work.
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...b/c sadly selling this for $600 is far easier to achieve and more lucrative. I wonder how many people who don't get paid to ride a motorcycle will even notice if it doesn't work.
Yeah, may not be for everyone, but I'd like to give it a go.
I've have to either turn mine off or set to a max of 1. Too much intervention when attempting to steer with the rear. With it off, you can get it to pivot at the apex better, but just have to be more precise and rely entirely on your right wrist. Doesn't do much in the way of extending tire life, but meh.. it's a track bike!
You sure it isn't already on the R's? I swear I read the R already has these systems...maybe only the 2017?
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Doesn't do much in the way of extending tire life, but meh.. it's a track bike!
Here I go ...start an argument, no... discussion. I reckon, it would extend tire life, an advancement from GP or WSBK, designed to preserve tire life ?
Here I go ...start an argument, no... discussion. I reckon, it would extend tire life, an advancement from GP or WSBK, designed to preserve tire life ?
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For what it's worth. The early BMW S1000rr's traction control was not smooth at all. I saw all kinds of crazy tire wear as a result of it. Same thing with poorly set up Bazzaz systems. You could almost tell that it was cutting in and out too abrubtly, and most every fast guy I ever met rode with it off completely. As OEM traction control has gotten more advanced, I've noticed that this issue has become less prevalent trackside. So I would imagine the upgrade would help with tire wear for someone at the pointy end of the track.
Highly doubt that unless you are utilizing the concept of steering with the rear purposely like Motox183 is that it would be a "must-have" for anyone else though. But that's just my opinion and not to be construed as fact.
As for not being on the "R". My non-educated guess is that it simply doesn't really affect sales enough for them to come up with a new calibration for that model. They use a totally different electronics package for their official race bikes anyway, as even the "Evo" system is still not likely up to the task of real competition use for someone at that level. I think Ducati is still using a 3 axis setup vs the newer generation having 5 or 6. So there is probably only so much they can do before they simply need to equip the bike with better hardware.
Edit: I wonder if going to something like a Gripone setup or similiar wouldn't be a better idea for those who really NEED the upgrade. They are most likely tracking/racing competitively. Not having the ability to actually adjust the parameters would be a negative for that person. Just a random thought.
Highly doubt that unless you are utilizing the concept of steering with the rear purposely like Motox183 is that it would be a "must-have" for anyone else though. But that's just my opinion and not to be construed as fact.
As for not being on the "R". My non-educated guess is that it simply doesn't really affect sales enough for them to come up with a new calibration for that model. They use a totally different electronics package for their official race bikes anyway, as even the "Evo" system is still not likely up to the task of real competition use for someone at that level. I think Ducati is still using a 3 axis setup vs the newer generation having 5 or 6. So there is probably only so much they can do before they simply need to equip the bike with better hardware.
Edit: I wonder if going to something like a Gripone setup or similiar wouldn't be a better idea for those who really NEED the upgrade. They are most likely tracking/racing competitively. Not having the ability to actually adjust the parameters would be a negative for that person. Just a random thought.
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So if this is the 2017 software wouldn't it be pre-installed in the black box unit for 2017 and onwards? Couldn't you just buy the newer BBU which is under $400 and plug it in?
According to Jarel, the 2017 models ship with the "evo" software standard, so all BBUs should be pre-loaded with the new algorithm. If you look up the BBU part numbers they are identical with the exception that they went from an "1E" designation to a new "2F" designation with the 2017 models which as Jarel stated come standard with the EVO software. In fact, the old part number now superceeds to the 2017 BBU part number. Price listed for the 2017 BBU from Ducati Omaha is $362.84. YMMV
Ok I give up. What the hell is a BBU? You keep referencing it and I cannot find a BBU anywhere in the manual. There is a BBS (Black Box System) and it is where the TC electronics live. A BBS for a 2017 Ducati from Newport Beach Ducati is $2500.00. If you can get one from Jarel for $362.84 I would def do so.
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BBS black box
This is the control unit which manages and adjusts the main electronic vehicle functions: DTC (Ducati Traction Control) and DWC (Ducati Wheelie Control). It implements an automatic calibration device according to the top gear ratio and the diameter of the rear tyre. Yep tyre,I guess that's EU for tire
BBS black box
This is the control unit which manages and adjusts the main electronic vehicle functions: DTC (Ducati Traction Control) and DWC (Ducati Wheelie Control). It implements an automatic calibration device according to the top gear ratio and the diameter of the rear tyre. Yep tyre,I guess that's EU for tire
Page 113 of the parts fiche, item 21 part number 38510472f (2017) or 38510471E (2015) it lives in the subframe.
Ducatiomaha 2017 panigale1299sanniv by Ducati Omaha - issuu
https://www.ducatiomaha.com/products/38510472f
Black Box Unit, Black Box System. Same thing. If this price is accurate on the DO website, I will buy it and for sure ask Ducati NB where they got $2500.00. If the DO website price is a misprint, well I guess we win. Doesn't make much sense to sell a loaded EVO capable unit for less that a flash.
Well I think that is settled, so the burning question/s:
1. Is it plug and play?
2. How far do you have to dig in there to get to it?
3. Is that easier/better than a $700 software update from the dealer?
Question 1 is the big one, given that the only change for 2015-2016 to upgrade is a flash, I suspect it may but am not 100%.
Question 2, is remove the seat, it lives under a rubber cover. Less than 5 minutes.
Question 3 is it should be the same if question 1 is true.
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it is right under the seat, but I can't remember if I had to remove the subframe to remove the box - I know I unplugged it at one point when I pulled the entire subframe so I could comfortably wrap my exhaust header (it wasn't necessary but it made it easier and pulling the subframe versus rotating it upwards is just two more bolts).
If it is plug and play, I'd do it, just to do it. I go to a lot of trackdays but I don't remotely have the talent to know the difference in TC calibration. For $700 my money would be better spent on the DDA module (which ought to come with the bike - Yamaha includes similar functionality on the R1M) but that's Ducati for ya. On tracks where power isn't a big deal, I'll set engine power to Wet for smoother power delivery. I'm that slow
If it is plug and play, I'd do it, just to do it. I go to a lot of trackdays but I don't remotely have the talent to know the difference in TC calibration. For $700 my money would be better spent on the DDA module (which ought to come with the bike - Yamaha includes similar functionality on the R1M) but that's Ducati for ya. On tracks where power isn't a big deal, I'll set engine power to Wet for smoother power delivery. I'm that slow
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You can't install a BBU on a different bike without electronic wizardry from the dealer DDS system, so by the time you buy one and pay to have it installed it would be kind of "what's the point"? And with the newer bikes, there's no guarantee it would work, AND you'd be creating a potential warranty issue. The DP Upgrade is an offical Ducati accessory, and carries full warranty. Despite the butthurt crowd piling on any chance to bash Ducati these days, this upgrade is NOT intended for very many riders, Ducati offered it specifically for those racing or track riding who want and can use the advanced features of the EVO setup. They'll probably sell 100 worldwide. So not, it's not a conspiracy to make a million dollars. And, no it's not intended to "screw" anyone. They offered it as a helpful upgrade to those who actually need it.
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