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jarelj said:
You can't install a BBU on a different bike without electronic wizardry from the dealer DDS system, so by the time you buy one and pay to have it installed it would be kind of "what's the point"? And with the newer bikes, there's no guarantee it would work, AND you'd be creating a potential warranty issue. The DP Upgrade is an offical Ducati accessory, and carries full warranty. Despite the butthurt crowd piling on any chance to bash Ducati these days, this upgrade is NOT intended for very many riders, Ducati offered it specifically for those racing or track riding who want and can use the advanced features of the EVO setup. They'll probably sell 100 worldwide. So not, it's not a conspiracy to make a million dollars. And, no it's not intended to "screw" anyone. They offered it as a helpful upgrade to those who actually need it.
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Ok Jarel and thanks. One question for you. What system originally is my 16 R, and if is "old" can My dealer upagrade it??
Cheers,:)
 
Sutki said:
Ok Jarel and thanks. One question for you. What system originally is my 16 R, and if is "old" can My dealer upagrade it??
Cheers,:)
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Sorry no at this point the upgrade will only work on the standard and S models, but it's quite possible they'll have an R version at some point.
 
jarelj said:
You can't install a BBU on a different bike without electronic wizardry from the dealer DDS system, so by the time you buy one and pay to have it installed it would be kind of "what's the point"? And with the newer bikes, there's no guarantee it would work, AND you'd be creating a potential warranty issue. The DP Upgrade is an offical Ducati accessory, and carries full warranty. Despite the butthurt crowd piling on any chance to bash Ducati these days, this upgrade is NOT intended for very many riders, Ducati offered it specifically for those racing or track riding who want and can use the advanced features of the EVO setup. They'll probably sell 100 worldwide. So not, it's not a conspiracy to make a million dollars. And, no it's not intended to "screw" anyone. They offered it as a helpful upgrade to those who actually need it.
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Good point, but there is something a miss here. If the BBU has to be matched to the bikes VIN, the BBU is sold to you matched, or sold to you unmatched and the dealer does the matching, and you are back at the dealers mercy. Some dealers will simply charge you and hour, in which you make out, some might make it $300, to get you back to the $700 mark.

Either way it's going to get interesting.
 
AmpForE said:
Good point, but there is something a miss here. If the BBU has to be matched to the bikes VIN, the BBU is sold to you matched, or sold to you unmatched and the dealer does the matching, and you are back at the dealers mercy. Some dealers will simply charge you and hour, in which you make out, some might make it $300, to get you back to the $700 mark.

Either way it's going to get interesting.
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The Ducati Performance Upgrade is NOT a new BBS unit, it's just a software upgrade that has to be installed into your stock BBS using the dealer DDS system, as well as the software key for your VIN, which is the part you're actually purchasing with the upgrade. There's a feature in the DDS to do it, so it doesn't require disassembly, it's a plug-in-and-update (supposedly, we haven't actually done one yet).
 
And the term "At the dealer's mercy" doesn't register with me. I don't know any dealers like this:

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So Jarel has given concise and detailed answers to all the questions. The most significant for me was his personal view on the pitch which was that it was not an upgrade for the masses. It is intended for a few riders that use the bike in such a way that this "upgrade" would warrant itself. My question is why isn't Jarel doing sales and marketing for Ducati? I suspect it is because he is truthful in his assessment. Unfortunately for Ducati, that's not going to sell a lot of upgrades. If you listened to "board chatter" you would be under the impression that people can't wait for this. So how is Ducati marketing this? truthfully as Jarel has or like Ford with their pic of the Mustang doing doughnuts on public streets? Maybe that's where the reality disconnect is. Regardless, for the guys gifted enough to be able to ride a bike in this type of performance environment it sounds like a nice addition.
 
When I posed the question it was from the standpoint of if I had to replace the brains of the riders aids package would it be plug and play. Even at $360 it isn't something I'm interested in at this point. I appreciate the forthcoming information from Jarel and have found him very helpful in my ownership experience.
 
jarelj said:
And the term "At the dealer's mercy" doesn't register with me. I don't know any dealers like this:

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Lol, i am reading the thread from my computer and not my phone for the first time and just noticing you are a owner/GM. Now I understand your viewpoint, and your words now carry a little more weight.

For reference, I used to be a factory guy on the sales, parts, and consumer service side. I know some good dealers, and I know some bad ones. Like the service advisor that told me a part was not covered under my maintenance plan so he did not install it, but saw fit to charge that very part out on warranty. At the time i was a warranty specialist and that was fraud and I could have triggered an instant warranty audit. I just called the Dealer and ask him to take care of it.

All is good!
 
So in resume for regular riders the upgrade is a waste of money only track riders will benefit rigth ?
In my country is 430 €.
 
jarelj said:
... this upgrade is NOT intended for very many riders, Ducati offered it specifically for those racing or track riding who want and can use the advanced features of the EVO setup. They'll probably sell 100 worldwide. So not, it's not a conspiracy to make a million dollars. And, no it's not intended to "screw" anyone. They offered it as a helpful upgrade to those who actually need it.
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With respect @Jarelj I disagree. That is like saying the original traction control systems were only for experienced riders who are skilled enough to lean on the system, etc. This new upgrade isn't just about giving skilled riders extra skids and wheelies powers, it's also an overall software upgrade that will benefit any riders in the same way as the existing systems. The software is all round more developed than the old one so it will work better in all areas.
 
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royal said:
With respect @Jarelj I disagree. That is like saying the original traction control systems were only for experienced riders who are skilled enough to lean on the system, etc. This new upgrade isn't just about giving skilled riders extra skids and wheelies powers, it's also an overall software upgrade that will benefit any riders in the same way as the existing systems. The software is all round more developed than the old one so it will work better in all areas.
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The EVO package is probably just a mechanism for guys who are fast enough/skilled enough to be kicking around the idea of turning off the electronics entirely to get a little extra mileage out of them. The fact that the intervention curve supposedly tracks ideal traction a bit more closely might be useful to someone chasing tenths on the pointy end of things but 99% of Panigale owners aren't that person.
 
royal said:
With respect @Jarelj I disagree. That is like saying the original traction control systems were only for experienced riders who are skilled enough to lean on the system, etc. This new upgrade isn't just about giving skilled riders extra skids and wheelies powers, it's also an overall software upgrade that will benefit any riders in the same way as the existing systems. The software is all round more developed than the old one so it will work better in all areas.
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I would not disagree there is SOME benefit to improved algorithms in the system that in theory are "better" for everyone, my point is the PRIMARY new development in DTC EVO (as stated by Ducati) is the advanced slide control for advanced riders to drift the rear more on corner exits on the track. So if you want "better" just for the sake of better, and don't care about cost, then there's certainly nothing wrong with getting the upgrade. But know what you're getting in that case is probably something that will never manifest itself to you as a rider in any perceptible way if you're not at the level of drifting the rear on the track. If Ducati was doing the upgrade for free, I'd certainly take it if I owned one of those bikes, but at the cost it's at, I'd have to really want it.

NOT that I haven't spent money on cool things for my bike that I really didn't need, I have a serious affliction for racing parts that probably don't make me any faster but I just like having them! But those are things that people can SEE and I can take pride in. I don't see myself standing at the track with someone looking at my bike in the pits and going "Hey check out my new EVO software!". Ha ha!
 
Back when I had a Speed Triple, after I got the suspension set up for me, I realize that I could spin up the rear getting on the gas at the apex on the street. The first time I did it it surprised me, soon after I could control it. The Speed Triple has a ton of low end torque and this was an 06 so this is before TC.

Once I moved to a liter bike I no longer spun the rear on the street. The literbikes I have had needed to be way up in the revs to make 70+ foot pounds of torque, something the Speed Triple did at 3k.

Now, if the 1299 has equal low end torque, I will take the EVO. I certainly don't need it, nor do I need to spin the rear on the street, but it would be nice to have a safety measure as the 1299 has about 70 HP and 25 foot pounds of torque over the Triple. I really need to buy another one just to have it. Lol
 
And what's the benefit of the EVO Update for DWC? It's not discribed on the Ducati website, just mentioned in the headline "Ducati Traction & Wheelie Control Evo"
 
jogy said:
And what's the benefit of the EVO Update for DWC? It's not discribed on the Ducati website, just mentioned in the headline "Ducati Traction & Wheelie Control Evo"
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Better and smoother intervention. And slide control in DTC level 1 and 2. I ordered today, but it's not available just let :)
 
jarelj said:
I would not disagree there is SOME benefit to improved algorithms in the system that in theory are "better" for everyone, my point is the PRIMARY new development in DTC EVO (as stated by Ducati) is the advanced slide control for advanced riders to drift the rear more on corner exits on the track. So if you want "better" just for the sake of better, and don't care about cost, then there's certainly nothing wrong with getting the upgrade. But know what you're getting in that case is probably something that will never manifest itself to you as a rider in any perceptible way if you're not at the level of drifting the rear on the track. If Ducati was doing the upgrade for free, I'd certainly take it if I owned one of those bikes, but at the cost it's at, I'd have to really want it.

NOT that I haven't spent money on cool things for my bike that I really didn't need, I have a serious affliction for racing parts that probably don't make me any faster but I just like having them! But those are things that people can SEE and I can take pride in. I don't see myself standing at the track with someone looking at my bike in the pits and going "Hey check out my new EVO software!". Ha ha!
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That's good enough for me, new tyres for me it is then......


Only one Ducati dealership here Jarel, any chance you'd expand your franchise to Ireland. What you'd lose on selling upgrades, you'd more than make up for selling actual bikes........just a thought
 
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