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I don't mean to argue, I was just stating what I was told by John H, who was the Dyno Manager and service advisor at TT. So I have a real source I wasn't making it up. How accurate his statements are I can't comment on. His statement to me was that Ducati pulled from them because they "wanted an exclusive dealer"... quote unquote. This may have more to do with the cramped and outdated showroom and other factors but that's just guessing.

Jarel can verify that I have an even better inside source. I guarantee it. The exclusive response is NOT what anything was about with the situation. It s what they are saying happened. Not what really happened. I can promise you and swear on my children...

Same with the other things. I'm telling you that it is furthest from the truth.
 
I'll chim in on Indy Ducati also.
I have bought three bikes from them and countless other items.
They have been there for quite a few years and will be there for many more because they get what it's about there.
Taking care of the customer.
Top notch service all around.
 
Well I'm currently trying to sell mine lol, I have a guy interested right now, but if he doesn't buy it I'll be giving it to Ducati Detroit to sell for me.....unless you have any buddies interested :)

But there's still a possibility to meet up when I get my brand new 2014 1290 Super Duke R!!! :D

good luck with the sale.. and lmk once you get the KTM, i've had my eyes on the super duke for a while and would love to check it out in person..
 
One fact the I know is the Ducati want ducati only dealership and everybody know that especially Bob who at one time owned the bigger Triumph Motorcycles dealer on the USA the you can not depend on one motorcycle manufacture because if one day that company go under you will go down too. that is how Bob lost Triumph of Detroit in less than one week.
 
Well I'm currently trying to sell mine lol, I have a guy interested right now, but if he doesn't buy it I'll be giving it to Ducati Detroit to sell for me.....unless you have any buddies interested :)

But there's still a possibility to meet up when I get my brand new 2014 1290 Super Duke R!!! :D

Nope. You're out of the group Mike:D
 
I have no doubt about Bob's experiences, I've talked to him as well, no one is doubting any of that, but I'd be careful before you pass judgement about someone you know nothing about. Maybe you should go meet Charlie, the owner of Ducati Detroit, he's a fantastic guy and for all I know could be a very accomplished rider, I haven't asked.

That being said, I DO know his service manager, and he blows anyone at TT out of the water. A former racer who also worked with many AMA teams, building hundreds of race bikes. I walked in a couple weeks ago and there's Jason DiSalvo's Triumph sitting there waiting to be worked on. Ducati Detroit's owner may not have set records on the salt flats or be nearly old enough to have owned one of the biggest triumph dealers in America, but I guarantee you he has a winning team working around him. If you follow them on Facebook you'll see they're selling bikes to people who don't even live in Michigan, that drive in just to buy from them.

TT has some great people, no doubt, but get to know others before you judge them please.

Well said...and all true.
 
I have no doubt about Bob's experiences, I've talked to him as well, no one is doubting any of that, but I'd be careful before you pass judgement about someone you know nothing about. Maybe you should go meet Charlie, the owner of Ducati Detroit, he's a fantastic guy and for all I know could be a very accomplished rider, I haven't asked.

That being said, I DO know his service manager, and he blows anyone at TT out of the water. A former racer who also worked with many AMA teams, building hundreds of race bikes. I walked in a couple weeks ago and there's Jason DiSalvo's Triumph sitting there waiting to be worked on. Ducati Detroit's owner may not have set records on the salt flats or be nearly old enough to have owned one of the biggest triumph dealers in America, but I guarantee you he has a winning team working around him. If you follow them on Facebook you'll see they're selling bikes to people who don't even live in Michigan, that drive in just to buy from them.

TT has some great people, no doubt, but get to know others before you judge them please.


Lol he has winning team working around him? Can you elaborate on that, also please tell us where this guy came from because he is not even from michigan and please tell us how come there is a law suit again Ducati from somebody else that Ducati ofert a franchise and after he did all the homework rich boy who washed bike on his family HD dealer. Oh let me guess it sound like I said before is a ....... corporate store Owen by a rich person who is not going to give to .... about the customer. Go and check salt lake Ducati it the same .... the store was loosing a lot customer and money but guess what? The owner is so rich that they are allow to loose like a million dollar a year and still they fine.

But you know I don't care I'm still going to take my bike to TT where nobody is trying to sell me .... and I can just drink some good coffe talking to bob.let see how long can you sell only Ducati. It funny the all you know about this guy is that he is a fantastic guy and because of that he deserved to take the Ducati name from TT. How come Ducati didn't ask for exclusive when the market crash 2007? You know what they did ? There were holding the desmo until June of 2007 and the dealer were returning people deposit because they didn't get the bike on time, by July the truck show up with double their order. Why? Because Ducati want to get it out so the dealer has to pay for a bike they did not order But the market crash and people don't have money to buy a $70k bike. That is Ducati 101 for you
 
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Lol he has winning team working around him? Can you elaborate on that, also please tell us where this guy came from because he is not even from michigan and please tell us how come there is a law suit again Ducati from somebody else that Ducati ofert a franchise and after he did all the homework rich boy who washed bike on his family HD dealer. Oh let me guess it sound like I said before is a ....... corporate store Owen by a rich person who is not going to give to .... about the customer. Go and check salt lake Ducati it the same .... the store was loosing a lot customer and money but guess what? The owner is so rich that they are allow to loose like a million dollar a year and still they fine.

But you know I don't care I'm still going to take my bike to TT where nobody is trying to sell me .... and I can just drink some good coffe talking to bob.let see how long can you sell only Ducati.

You know, I can kind of make out your point - but geez*this is worse than debugging source code. . maybe using a spell checker and some punctuation might help. . .
 
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Sorry, but many bike shops are just holes in the wall. Barely any better then me selling bikes out of my chicken barn. In some cases, worse.

In the US it seems like this is good enough. Momo techs that have no product knowledge. Shops with no dyno, and no way to dyno tune an engine. That's F'n pathetic. Can't even put on custom exhaust without a dyno these days. Sorry, but if a shop can't set my tune up properly, I'm gone.

I run into the same thing where I work. We can get by with the equipment we have, but it isn't right. And we're starting to look like Momos. Proper shops and techs are important. Anyone racing in Moto GP or World superbike is going to be disgusted by some of the shops over here. What excuse can a shop have when they can't even do basic tuning and testing?

Sounds like the dealer mentioned in the OP hasn't a clue. If someone complained to me about Panigale heat, I'd roll my eyes. Ducati's have had weird exhaust pipes wrapped around the riders leg since '94. If they could put a muffler between your cheeks they would.

And everyone knows that what's going on in Moto GP, has very little to do with the Road and Track day rider. Besides, Ducati just won a championship with Casey Stoner. You can't be in 1st place all the time at that level. I think their results, even with last years lack of results, are still very good overall.

One thing I know about motosport people from europe: They don't settle for crap. They get it done better, and generally have better taste than we do. Lame dealers ain't going to last. Having worked for Audi, I know junky shops are going to be toast.

That being said, the better Ducati dealers I've seen all had at least 1 other brand on the other half of the showroom floor.
 
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I went in to pick up my panigale from winter storage and found of that my local dealer, TT motorcycles, and Ducati are at an 'impasse' and they've stopped selling Ducatis due to this new exclusivity rule. The dealer's been around for 9 years selling them and its very unusual to hear this. They sell Aprillia, MV, and couple other scooter brands and the owner's like michigan is not a good market for exclusivity. I guess they'll still service all ducatis, but no more warranty work. Anyone has heard of something similar story?


A brand new dealer exclusive Ducati dealer opened up in last fall quite a distance away, so I guess I'll have to drive the distance to check out any new ducatis in the future.

On a side note, the owner was also venting about Claudio Domenicali and Ducati politics, when he sat down with him few times in last couple years. Apparently, the atmosphere is not nice when bring up problems like the our panigale's heat as well as prior Ducatis' tank expansion problems. He also thinks Ducati's failures in motogp and wsbk also rise from similar issues.

This is exactly the .... that cost me my service plan. Ducati disenfranchised the "previous importers" and appointed a sole franchised importer (Porsche SA). Only their (new) dealership Ducati Randburg my service Ducatis under guarantee - and that is for the whole of South Africa.
If you have bought your Ducati from a now disenfranchised dealer you have to choose what is important, your guarantee or your service plan as you can not keep both. :mad:
 
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That being said, the better Ducati dealers I've seen all had at least 1 other brand on the other half of the showroom floor.

Yeah, not sure where this "exclusivity" stuff is coming from. A friend of mine (part-owner of a Duc dealership in TX) says they added earlier this year a second brand - MV.

Perhaps they're pressuring owners to be exclusive. But doesn't sound like it's a hard and fast requirement.
 
Yeah, not sure where this "exclusivity" stuff is coming from. A friend of mine (part-owner of a Duc dealership in TX) says they added earlier this year a second brand - MV.

Perhaps they're pressuring owners to be exclusive. But doesn't sound like it's a hard and fast requirement.

Maybe "exclusive" is defined as 70% occupancy maybe less on the showroom floor included w/ banners, stands, apparel, & outdoor sign. Ducati does not have enough mkt share to use a HD model.

Maybe when a dealer has a bad exp w/ a mfr. maybe the mfr feels said dealer could be producing more of a return so they pull their line.
 
Sorry, but many bike shops are just holes in the wall. Barely any better then me selling bikes out of my chicken barn. In some cases, worse.

In the US it seems like this is good enough. Momo techs that have no product knowledge. Shops with no dyno, and no way to dyno tune an engine. That's F'n pathetic. Can't even put on custom exhaust without a dyno these days. Sorry, but if a shop can't set my tune up properly, I'm gone.

I run into the same thing where I work. We can get by with the equipment we have, but it isn't right. And we're starting to look like Momos. Proper shops and techs are important. Anyone racing in Moto GP or World superbike is going to be disgusted by some of the shops over here. What excuse can a shop have when they can't even do basic tuning and testing?

Sounds like the dealer mentioned in the OP hasn't a clue. If someone complained to me about Panigale heat, I'd roll my eyes. Ducati's have had weird exhaust pipes wrapped around the riders leg since '94. If they could put a muffler between your cheeks they would.

And everyone knows that what's going on in Moto GP, has very little to do with the Road and Track day rider. Besides, Ducati just won a championship with Casey Stoner. You can't be in 1st place all the time at that level. I think their results, even with last years lack of results, are still very good overall.

One thing I know about motosport people from europe: They don't settle for crap. They get it done better, and generally have better taste than we do. Lame dealers ain't going to last. Having worked for Audi, I know junky shops are going to be toast.

That being said, the better Ducati dealers I've seen all had at least 1 other brand on the other half of the showroom floor.

Sorry but the dealer that the op is talking got a dyno,also it a true motorcycle shop. I dont care about the look of the store because the fancy the store is the more they need to charge you.they got pay for all that fancy crap so you need to pay for it.
 
Sorry but the dealer that the op is talking got a dyno,also it a true motorcycle shop. I dont care about the look of the store because the fancy the store is the more they need to charge you.they got pay for all that fancy crap so you need to pay for it.

The one you're bashing has a dyno, tons more bikes, great service, and their prices are definitely not higher. No idea what a "true motorcycle shop" is. Anything else?
 
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The one you're bashing has a dyno, tons more bikes, great service, and they're prices are definitely not higher. No idea what a "true motorcycle shop" is. Anything else?
it ok you wont ever know what is a motorcycle shop, but I give you a hint
there is a Big different from Dominos pizza and Tivolis pizza in utica, check it out on you way to ducati detroit :D
 
On a side note, the owner was also venting about Claudio Domenicali and Ducati politics, when he sat down with him few times in last couple years. Apparently, the atmosphere is not nice when bring up problems like the our panigale's heat as well as prior Ducatis' tank expansion problems. He also thinks Ducati's failures in motogp and wsbk also rise from similar issues.

A little late to this thread, but if it makes any difference, I've spoken to Claudio, too. After tolerating 1-2 of my compliments about the bike he interrupted me and said, "I don't want to hear what you like about the bike, tell me what's wrong," so clearly he is very, very concerned about the details. Whether or not he thinks the heat is a problem is another matter. A lot of us (myself included) don't think the heat is intolerable.

In any case, he struck me as relentless perfectionist and might have been the most intense man I've ever met in my life.
 

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