Ducati pushing for dealer exclusivity?

Ducati Forum

Help Support Ducati Forum:

MacaveliMC said:
Sorry I lost interest when I realized you were more interested in spouting hate against someone you know literally nothing about. Maybe you can join the adults discussion after you open a browser and do a little research or actually walk into the store and talk to this supposedly unworthy owner and his staff instead of making your own completely unfounded assumptions about him.
Click to expand...

Hey you are the one who is defending this guy, this treat is about Ducati dumping loyal dealer on favor big corporate with a lot money who just don't give two .... about the customer.I don't care about who own that store I care about my local shop, I care about one rich person taking the poor person hard earned money. said hello to TARGE and Walmart for me
 
Last edited:
Sorry, but many bike shops are just holes in the wall. Barely any better then me selling bikes out of my chicken barn. In some cases, worse.

In the US it seems like this is good enough. Momo techs that have no product knowledge. Shops with no dyno, and no way to dyno tune an engine. That's F'n pathetic. Can't even put on custom exhaust without a dyno these days. Sorry, but if a shop can't set my tune up properly, I'm gone.

I run into the same thing where I work. We can get by with the equipment we have, but it isn't right. And we're starting to look like Momos. Proper shops and techs are important. Anyone racing in Moto GP or World superbike is going to be disgusted by some of the shops over here. What excuse can a shop have when they can't even do basic tuning and testing?

Sounds like the dealer mentioned in the OP hasn't a clue. If someone complained to me about Panigale heat, I'd roll my eyes. Ducati's have had weird exhaust pipes wrapped around the riders leg since '94. If they could put a muffler between your cheeks they would.

And everyone knows that what's going on in Moto GP, has very little to do with the Road and Track day rider. Besides, Ducati just won a championship with Casey Stoner. You can't be in 1st place all the time at that level. I think their results, even with last years lack of results, are still very good overall.

One thing I know about motosport people from europe: They don't settle for crap. They get it done better, and generally have better taste than we do. Lame dealers ain't going to last. Having worked for Audi, I know junky shops are going to be toast.

That being said, the better Ducati dealers I've seen all had at least 1 other brand on the other half of the showroom floor.
 
Last edited:
esmirna8261980 said:
Hey you are the one who is defending this guy, this treat is about Ducati dumping loyal dealer on favor big corporate with a lot money who just don't give two .... about the customer.I don't care about who own that store I care about my local shop, I care about one rich person taking the poor person hard earned money. said hello to TARGE and Walmart for me
Click to expand...

I didn't think you could make a bigger ... of yourself after the first few posts...but I was wrong. You literally know nothing about a dealership, but continue to make judgements against them. Learn to spell and have a clue of which you speak before spewing your hate. Unbelievable.
 
Last edited:
akdave8 said:
I went in to pick up my panigale from winter storage and found of that my local dealer, TT motorcycles, and Ducati are at an 'impasse' and they've stopped selling Ducatis due to this new exclusivity rule. The dealer's been around for 9 years selling them and its very unusual to hear this. They sell Aprillia, MV, and couple other scooter brands and the owner's like michigan is not a good market for exclusivity. I guess they'll still service all ducatis, but no more warranty work. Anyone has heard of something similar story?


A brand new dealer exclusive Ducati dealer opened up in last fall quite a distance away, so I guess I'll have to drive the distance to check out any new ducatis in the future.

On a side note, the owner was also venting about Claudio Domenicali and Ducati politics, when he sat down with him few times in last couple years. Apparently, the atmosphere is not nice when bring up problems like the our panigale's heat as well as prior Ducatis' tank expansion problems. He also thinks Ducati's failures in motogp and wsbk also rise from similar issues.
Click to expand...

This is exactly the .... that cost me my service plan. Ducati disenfranchised the "previous importers" and appointed a sole franchised importer (Porsche SA). Only their (new) dealership Ducati Randburg my service Ducatis under guarantee - and that is for the whole of South Africa.
If you have bought your Ducati from a now disenfranchised dealer you have to choose what is important, your guarantee or your service plan as you can not keep both. :mad:
 
Last edited:
Buliwyf said:
That being said, the better Ducati dealers I've seen all had at least 1 other brand on the other half of the showroom floor.
Click to expand...

Yeah, not sure where this "exclusivity" stuff is coming from. A friend of mine (part-owner of a Duc dealership in TX) says they added earlier this year a second brand - MV.

Perhaps they're pressuring owners to be exclusive. But doesn't sound like it's a hard and fast requirement.
 
Charliem90 said:
Yeah, not sure where this "exclusivity" stuff is coming from. A friend of mine (part-owner of a Duc dealership in TX) says they added earlier this year a second brand - MV.

Perhaps they're pressuring owners to be exclusive. But doesn't sound like it's a hard and fast requirement.
Click to expand...

Maybe "exclusive" is defined as 70% occupancy maybe less on the showroom floor included w/ banners, stands, apparel, & outdoor sign. Ducati does not have enough mkt share to use a HD model.

Maybe when a dealer has a bad exp w/ a mfr. maybe the mfr feels said dealer could be producing more of a return so they pull their line.
 
Buliwyf said:
Sorry, but many bike shops are just holes in the wall. Barely any better then me selling bikes out of my chicken barn. In some cases, worse.

In the US it seems like this is good enough. Momo techs that have no product knowledge. Shops with no dyno, and no way to dyno tune an engine. That's F'n pathetic. Can't even put on custom exhaust without a dyno these days. Sorry, but if a shop can't set my tune up properly, I'm gone.

I run into the same thing where I work. We can get by with the equipment we have, but it isn't right. And we're starting to look like Momos. Proper shops and techs are important. Anyone racing in Moto GP or World superbike is going to be disgusted by some of the shops over here. What excuse can a shop have when they can't even do basic tuning and testing?

Sounds like the dealer mentioned in the OP hasn't a clue. If someone complained to me about Panigale heat, I'd roll my eyes. Ducati's have had weird exhaust pipes wrapped around the riders leg since '94. If they could put a muffler between your cheeks they would.

And everyone knows that what's going on in Moto GP, has very little to do with the Road and Track day rider. Besides, Ducati just won a championship with Casey Stoner. You can't be in 1st place all the time at that level. I think their results, even with last years lack of results, are still very good overall.

One thing I know about motosport people from europe: They don't settle for crap. They get it done better, and generally have better taste than we do. Lame dealers ain't going to last. Having worked for Audi, I know junky shops are going to be toast.

That being said, the better Ducati dealers I've seen all had at least 1 other brand on the other half of the showroom floor.
Click to expand...

Sorry but the dealer that the op is talking got a dyno,also it a true motorcycle shop. I dont care about the look of the store because the fancy the store is the more they need to charge you.they got pay for all that fancy crap so you need to pay for it.
 
ttkarp said:
I didn't think you could make a bigger ... of yourself after the first few posts...but I was wrong. You literally know nothing about a dealership, but continue to make judgements against them. Learn to spell and have a clue of which you speak before spewing your hate. Unbelievable.
Click to expand...

here we go again :rolleyes:
1-What is going on with some people on this forum?, if you dont have nothing to said about the topic. please please and again please don't act like a kid insulting a member,
2-If Im wrong about how Ducati ....... TT motorcycle, rosenau powersport and also they trying to .... with Life cycle please proof me how much you know about ducati dealership.
3-Yes I know I need to learn how to spell but you need to learn how to respect other people point of view.
4-please don't try start a fight and tell me to go to you race track day for you to slap me and make me your ......
5- I don't hate the owner of Ducati of Detroit, I dont give two .... about that store. Im talking about DUCATI and they way theiy ....... the mama and papa dealer.
6- the problem with this forum is that there is too many Ducati fan boy, If you want to drink the ducati cool-aid if you problem but that don't take the fact that ducati .... you with the panigale, Let see dash,melting faring, blowing fork,fuel problem (this is the good one, now they want you to replace the sproke and chain because they can get the fuel right), turn signal switch,oil leak.if honda make a bike with all this problem their customer wont be defend it.
 
Last edited:
esmirna8261980 said:
Sorry but the dealer that the op is talking got a dyno,also it a true motorcycle shop. I dont care about the look of the store because the fancy the store is the more they need to charge you.they got pay for all that fancy crap so you need to pay for it.
Click to expand...

The one you're bashing has a dyno, tons more bikes, great service, and their prices are definitely not higher. No idea what a "true motorcycle shop" is. Anything else?
 
Last edited:
esmirna8261980 said:
here we go again :rolleyes:
1-What is going on with some people on this forum?, if you dont have nothing to said about the topic. please please and again please don't act like a kid insulting a member,
2-If Im wrong about how Ducati ....... TT motorcycle, rosenau powersport and also they trying to .... with Life cycle please proof me how much you know about ducati dealership.
3-Yes I know I need to learn how to spell but you need to learn how to respect other people point of view.
4-please don't try start a fight and tell me to go to you race track day for you slap me and make me your ......
5- I don't hate the owner of Ducati of Detroit, I dont give two .... about that store. Im talking about DUCATI and they way theiy ....... the mama and papa dealer.
6- the problem with this forum is that there is too many Ducati fan boy, If you want to drink the ducati cool-aid if you problem but that don't take the fact that ducati .... you with the panigale, Let see dash,melting faring, blowing fork,fuel problem (this is the good one, now they want you to replace the sproke and chain because they can get the fuel right), turn signal switch,oil leak.if honda make a bike with all this problem their customer wont be defend it.
Click to expand...

Writing understand your cannot I:rolleyes:
 
ttkarp said:
The one you're bashing has a dyno, tons more bikes, great service, and they're prices are definitely not higher. No idea what a "true motorcycle shop" is. Anything else?
Click to expand...
it ok you wont ever know what is a motorcycle shop, but I give you a hint
there is a Big different from Dominos pizza and Tivolis pizza in utica, check it out on you way to ducati detroit :D
 
akdave8 said:
On a side note, the owner was also venting about Claudio Domenicali and Ducati politics, when he sat down with him few times in last couple years. Apparently, the atmosphere is not nice when bring up problems like the our panigale's heat as well as prior Ducatis' tank expansion problems. He also thinks Ducati's failures in motogp and wsbk also rise from similar issues.
Click to expand...

A little late to this thread, but if it makes any difference, I've spoken to Claudio, too. After tolerating 1-2 of my compliments about the bike he interrupted me and said, "I don't want to hear what you like about the bike, tell me what's wrong," so clearly he is very, very concerned about the details. Whether or not he thinks the heat is a problem is another matter. A lot of us (myself included) don't think the heat is intolerable.

In any case, he struck me as relentless perfectionist and might have been the most intense man I've ever met in my life.
 
esmirna8261980 said:
Lol he has winning team working around him? Can you elaborate on that, also please tell us where this guy came from because he is not even from michigan and please tell us how come there is a law suit again Ducati from somebody else that Ducati ofert a franchise and after he did all the homework rich boy who washed bike on his family HD dealer. Oh let me guess it sound like I said before is a ....... corporate store Owen by a rich person who is not going to give to .... about the customer. Go and check salt lake Ducati it the same .... the store was loosing a lot customer and money but guess what? The owner is so rich that they are allow to loose like a million dollar a year and still they fine.

But you know I don't care I'm still going to take my bike to TT where nobody is trying to sell me .... and I can just drink some good coffe talking to bob.let see how long can you sell only Ducati. It funny the all you know about this guy is that he is a fantastic guy and because of that he deserved to take the Ducati name from TT. How come Ducati didn't ask for exclusive when the market crash 2007? You know what they did ? There were holding the desmo until June of 2007 and the dealer were returning people deposit because they didn't get the bike on time, by July the truck show up with double their order. Why? Because Ducati want to get it out so the dealer has to pay for a bike they did not order But the market crash and people don't have money to buy a $70k bike. That is Ducati 101 for you
Click to expand...


You have a LOT of hearsay and sound very disgruntle. What you are saying is so far from the truth and I can attest that what you say about the franchise situation and someone else is not as you say.

All I am going to say is that there is a metric .... ton of false and inaccurate info floating around. I am going to bow out as this is a great example of minimal info and blowing it up on pure opinion...

I know facts. All of them. I can promise you that I am not at all using an ounce of hearsay nor opinion. What happened is between TT and Ducati. If someone wants to discuss details, they are more than welcome to pull me aside. This isn't the place and I am not about to go down that road.

What I will say is that there needs to be a lot more professionalism towards Ducati Detroit. The BS comment you made about the parts .... and such is slander. She is a great .... and does an excellent job. It is rude and about the most spineless thing I have ever heard. If you are an employee or friend of TT, that's cool. But remember one thing... Slandering a competitor and doing it with false info and opinion makes you look terribly silly.
 
MacaveliMC said:
Sorry I lost interest when I realized you were more interested in spouting hate against someone you know literally nothing about. Maybe you can join the adults discussion after you open a browser and do a little research or actually walk into the store and talk to this supposedly unworthy owner and his staff instead of making your own completely unfounded assumptions about him.
Click to expand...

I am willing to bet that he is either an employee, or close to someone there. He is making a lot of comments that show he knows just enough detail to be dangerous, but as usual in these cases, he really doesn't know anything and is using opinion and emotion to drive what he says.
 
Red Dawn said:
You have a LOT of hearsay and sound very disgruntle. What you are saying is so far from the truth and I can attest that what you say about the franchise situation and someone else is not as you say.

All I am going to say is that there is a metric .... ton of false and inaccurate info floating around. I am going to bow out as this is a great example of minimal info and blowing it up on pure opinion...

I know facts. All of them. I can promise you that I am not at all using an ounce of hearsay nor opinion. What happened is between TT and Ducati. If someone wants to discuss details, they are more than welcome to pull me aside. This isn't the place and I am not about to go down that road.

What I will say is that there needs to be a lot more professionalism towards Ducati Detroit. The BS comment you made about the parts .... and such is slander. She is a great .... and does an excellent job. It is rude and about the most spineless thing I have ever heard. If you are an employee or friend of TT, that's cool. But remember one thing... Slandering a competitor and doing it with false info and opinion makes you look terribly silly.
Click to expand...



This is hilarious so I was right there is a ....?( the funny part is the I was just stereotyping the typical corporate business)you are right I have never put a foot on Ducati of Detroit. And I wont, I live on Florida. I don't work for TT but I can tell you that I know more about Ducati than what you think. I like Ducati Im passionated about it but Im not blind and I don't drink the Ducati kool-aid and if this new ducati is ....... up the brand, yes I will said something

also if you know some much about ducati, please tell me that I'm a liar and ducati never put the desmo on hold to the small dealer to the point that the dealer were refunding customer deposit and a soon the market crash ducati dump all this desmo to the dealer forcing the dealer to buy a $70k bike when the all country were broke. Please tell me how wrong I am.
There is nothing wrong with open a new store in Detroit, what is wrong is that there is no competition, ducati of detroit will get the bike first than anybody,cheaper then anybody, they will get better deal on apparel so at one point they will put life cycle out business too also when this big corporation decide to put their money on something else there is not going to be ducati dealer on detroit.
listen I'm not defending TT I'm defending the mama and papa stores, the people that support Ducati when their were broke and now those are getting the short of the stick, this is not happen just on detroit it happen everywhere.
 
Last edited:
AntiHero said:
A little late to this thread, but if it makes any difference, I've spoken to Claudio, too. After tolerating 1-2 of my compliments about the bike he interrupted me and said, "I don't want to hear what you like about the bike, tell me what's wrong," so clearly he is very, very concerned about the details. Whether or not he thinks the heat is a problem is another matter. A lot of us (myself included) don't think the heat is intolerable.

In any case, he struck me as relentless perfectionist and might have been the most intense man I've ever met in my life.
Click to expand...

You should asked him about the new map .
 
Well I thought maybe sanity would prevail in this thread but I was wrong.

I'm not naming names but insulting others as well as innocent third parties is not going to be tolerated.

Also, guess I need to remind everyone to curb language as some people access this forum from work or with young family members present.

None of us want to see heavy-handed moderation on this forum, but that requires EVERYONE here to show some degree of maturity when posting/responding to posts.

ALso, if you find particular members especially annoying you can always select IGNORE as an option, here's a link to info about that.

http://ducati1199.com/new-users/14954-ignore-option-your-friend.html

So check yourself guys.
Chris
 
It's not exclusivity they're pushing. It's the brand experience. Same deal in Australia. Long time Sydney dealership lost its franchise at the beginning of the year because it wouldn't spend the $250,000 refurb deemed necessary. Black and red paint is expensive in these parts you know.
 

Similar threads

V
2023 Ducati Panigale V4 DTC error (P0112)
Replies
1
Views
239
SuperDomestique
SuperDomestique
B
For Sale 2013 Ducati Hypermotard 821SP for sale $8500 Neg. (Riverdale/Bronx - NY)
Replies
0
Views
151
boki
B
F
Panigale V4S DQS custom fix
Replies
0
Views
393
Fulcrum
F
Vicati
For Sale Panigale 1299s and Panigale 959 Full bolt ons
Replies
10
Views
393
SirJAG
S
L
Ethanol in fuel and new regulations
Replies
0
Views
575
lotus7
L

Register CTA

Register on Ducati Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions

Back
Top