Ducati pushing for dealer exclusivity?

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esmirna8261980 said:
Lol he has winning team working around him? Can you elaborate on that, also please tell us where this guy came from because he is not even from michigan and please tell us how come there is a law suit again Ducati from somebody else that Ducati ofert a franchise and after he did all the homework rich boy who washed bike on his family HD dealer. Oh let me guess it sound like I said before is a ....... corporate store Owen by a rich person who is not going to give to .... about the customer. Go and check salt lake Ducati it the same .... the store was loosing a lot customer and money but guess what? The owner is so rich that they are allow to loose like a million dollar a year and still they fine.

But you know I don't care I'm still going to take my bike to TT where nobody is trying to sell me .... and I can just drink some good coffe talking to bob.let see how long can you sell only Ducati. It funny the all you know about this guy is that he is a fantastic guy and because of that he deserved to take the Ducati name from TT. How come Ducati didn't ask for exclusive when the market crash 2007? You know what they did ? There were holding the desmo until June of 2007 and the dealer were returning people deposit because they didn't get the bike on time, by July the truck show up with double their order. Why? Because Ducati want to get it out so the dealer has to pay for a bike they did not order But the market crash and people don't have money to buy a $70k bike. That is Ducati 101 for you
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You have a LOT of hearsay and sound very disgruntle. What you are saying is so far from the truth and I can attest that what you say about the franchise situation and someone else is not as you say.

All I am going to say is that there is a metric .... ton of false and inaccurate info floating around. I am going to bow out as this is a great example of minimal info and blowing it up on pure opinion...

I know facts. All of them. I can promise you that I am not at all using an ounce of hearsay nor opinion. What happened is between TT and Ducati. If someone wants to discuss details, they are more than welcome to pull me aside. This isn't the place and I am not about to go down that road.

What I will say is that there needs to be a lot more professionalism towards Ducati Detroit. The BS comment you made about the parts girl and such is slander. She is a great girl and does an excellent job. It is rude and about the most spineless thing I have ever heard. If you are an employee or friend of TT, that's cool. But remember one thing... Slandering a competitor and doing it with false info and opinion makes you look terribly silly.
 
MacaveliMC said:
Sorry I lost interest when I realized you were more interested in spouting hate against someone you know literally nothing about. Maybe you can join the adults discussion after you open a browser and do a little research or actually walk into the store and talk to this supposedly unworthy owner and his staff instead of making your own completely unfounded assumptions about him.
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I am willing to bet that he is either an employee, or close to someone there. He is making a lot of comments that show he knows just enough detail to be dangerous, but as usual in these cases, he really doesn't know anything and is using opinion and emotion to drive what he says.
 
Red Dawn said:
You have a LOT of hearsay and sound very disgruntle. What you are saying is so far from the truth and I can attest that what you say about the franchise situation and someone else is not as you say.

All I am going to say is that there is a metric .... ton of false and inaccurate info floating around. I am going to bow out as this is a great example of minimal info and blowing it up on pure opinion...

I know facts. All of them. I can promise you that I am not at all using an ounce of hearsay nor opinion. What happened is between TT and Ducati. If someone wants to discuss details, they are more than welcome to pull me aside. This isn't the place and I am not about to go down that road.

What I will say is that there needs to be a lot more professionalism towards Ducati Detroit. The BS comment you made about the parts girl and such is slander. She is a great girl and does an excellent job. It is rude and about the most spineless thing I have ever heard. If you are an employee or friend of TT, that's cool. But remember one thing... Slandering a competitor and doing it with false info and opinion makes you look terribly silly.
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This is hilarious so I was right there is a girl?( the funny part is the I was just stereotyping the typical corporate business)you are right I have never put a foot on Ducati of Detroit. And I wont, I live on Florida. I don't work for TT but I can tell you that I know more about Ducati than what you think. I like Ducati Im passionated about it but Im not blind and I don't drink the Ducati kool-aid and if this new ducati is ....... up the brand, yes I will said something

also if you know some much about ducati, please tell me that I'm a liar and ducati never put the desmo on hold to the small dealer to the point that the dealer were refunding customer deposit and a soon the market crash ducati dump all this desmo to the dealer forcing the dealer to buy a $70k bike when the all country were broke. Please tell me how wrong I am.
There is nothing wrong with open a new store in Detroit, what is wrong is that there is no competition, ducati of detroit will get the bike first than anybody,cheaper then anybody, they will get better deal on apparel so at one point they will put life cycle out business too also when this big corporation decide to put their money on something else there is not going to be ducati dealer on detroit.
listen I'm not defending TT I'm defending the mama and papa stores, the people that support Ducati when their were broke and now those are getting the short of the stick, this is not happen just on detroit it happen everywhere.
 
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AntiHero said:
A little late to this thread, but if it makes any difference, I've spoken to Claudio, too. After tolerating 1-2 of my compliments about the bike he interrupted me and said, "I don't want to hear what you like about the bike, tell me what's wrong," so clearly he is very, very concerned about the details. Whether or not he thinks the heat is a problem is another matter. A lot of us (myself included) don't think the heat is intolerable.

In any case, he struck me as relentless perfectionist and might have been the most intense man I've ever met in my life.
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You should asked him about the new map .
 
Well I thought maybe sanity would prevail in this thread but I was wrong.

I'm not naming names but insulting others as well as innocent third parties is not going to be tolerated.

Also, guess I need to remind everyone to curb language as some people access this forum from work or with young family members present.

None of us want to see heavy-handed moderation on this forum, but that requires EVERYONE here to show some degree of maturity when posting/responding to posts.

ALso, if you find particular members especially annoying you can always select IGNORE as an option, here's a link to info about that.

http://ducati1199.com/new-users/14954-ignore-option-your-friend.html

So check yourself guys.
Chris
 
It's not exclusivity they're pushing. It's the brand experience. Same deal in Australia. Long time Sydney dealership lost its franchise at the beginning of the year because it wouldn't spend the $250,000 refurb deemed necessary. Black and red paint is expensive in these parts you know.
 
Some of what is being said makes no since. Ducati is out to make money, period. Keeping the brand and increasing the loyalty is important for that goal.

I have a very good dealer that has Ducati, BMW, Triumph, and Piazo. They have a dedicated Ducati Room that was closed off for a week to redo paint flooring and shelves. Looks good but should not have been a huge capital outlay. They do have enough $$$ to floor a complete line if bikes, about 20 on the floor with some new ones in crates. Service department has at least one dedicated tech.

In my opinion this is not a large requirement to sell a brand. I know a local Mercedes dealer had to completely redo their whole sales building.

The whole idea is to enhance the experience which is not a bad thing, is it?
 
Sloopy said:
Some of what is being said makes no since. Ducati is out to make money, period. Keeping the brand and increasing the loyalty is important for that goal.



I have a very good dealer that has Ducati, BMW, Triumph, and Piazo. They have a dedicated Ducati Room that was closed off for a week to redo paint flooring and shelves. Looks good but should not have been a huge capital outlay. They do have enough $$$ to floor a complete line if bikes, about 20 on the floor with some new ones in crates. Service department has at least one dedicated tech.



In my opinion this is not a large requirement to sell a brand. I know a local Mercedes dealer had to completely redo their whole sales building.



The whole idea is to enhance the experience which is not a bad thing, is it?
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I agree. But apparently some people just want ducati to sell their bikes out of the back of some run down garage because that implies that their overhead costs are low (false presumption by the way as it could just be that the overhead costs are low but padding other pockets). Apparently they don't think any resources are needed to send techs to training and/or to maintain brand consistency. I guess the owners must all be master bike techs that can work on every bike from old to new....
 
Every Ducati dealer send their tech for trainee when a new model show up, same thing with the tool Ducati sell you all the tool when a new model show up. Just for the panigale Ducati sold the dealer a dedicated tool box. From the small dealer to the big dealer they all have the basic tool to perform all the repair.there is a big different between going to an apple store or going to small privates own store. Apple employees will pretend that they care about you as a customer but in reality he don't care, he knows that after you there is another 50 people on line. The small store can't play that game you are the only customer and he will do his best to please you.

At the end of the day I prefer to go the family own stablished. But there is people who like to eat at chain restaurant. Let take a look at best buy they kill all the local electronic store to the point that you don't have an option but to buy from them or go online, now there are closing store all around the country and probable they will going under, now the closet best buy to my house is like 45 min drive and there is no more places for me to buy a tv.
 
esmirna8261980 said:
Every Ducati dealer send their tech for trainee when a new model show up, same thing with the tool Ducati sell you all the tool when a new model show up. Just for the panigale Ducati sold the dealer a dedicated tool box. From the small dealer to the big dealer they all have the basic tool to perform all the repair.there is a big different between going to an apple store or going to small privates own store. Apple employees will pretend that they care about you as a customer but in reality he don't care, he knows that after you there is another 50 people on line. The small store can't play that game you are the only customer and he will do his best to please you.

At the end of the day I prefer to go the family own stablished. But there is people who like to eat at chain restaurant. Let take a look at best buy they kill all the local electronic store to the point that you don't have an option but to buy from them or go online, now there are closing store all around the country and probable they will going under, now the closet best buy to my house is like 45 min drive and there is no more places for me to buy a tv.
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Why are you buying a brand name bike ? Go to your mom and pop motorcycle chop shop and get one made. Why are you helping a big monolithic corporate entity like Ducati/Lambo/Audi ? Go help the mom and pop motorcycle shop - because at the end of the day - every Ducati dealership is a "chain". . . Don't be a hypocrite - practice what you preach.
 
anthem said:
Why are you buying a brand name bike ? Go to your mom and pop motorcycle chop shop and get one made. Why are you helping a big monolithic corporate entity like Ducati/Lambo/Audi ? Go help the mom and pop motorcycle shop - because at the end of the day - every Ducati dealership is a "chain". . . Don't be a hypocrite - practice what you preach.
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Can you please tell me a mom and papa sport bike brand??
Also we are talking about the product or the delivery mechanism??

Mom and papa store don't build their tv,they buy it from their distributor and retail to the public.
 
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esmirna8261980 said:
Can you please tell me a mom and papa sport bike brand??
Also we are talking about the product or the delivery mechanism??

Mom and papa store don't build their tv,they buy it from their distributor and retail to the public.
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So you're ok with a massive company that franchises out to other companies for distribution ? It makes no difference manufacturing or distribution. You're just trying to differentiate to make your own insane argument. If you want to support small stores - then stop buying from one of the largest manufacturers in the world.

there are a ton of small mom and pop shops that build motorcycles. If you want small companies that actually manufacture more than one offs- there are a ton of those too. Bimota, Erik Buell, Motus, Vyrus to name but a few. . But I don't think you're really serious about your mom and pop comment - you're just trying to make what you think is a valid argument on mom and pop dealerships being ok in your mind, but overlooking that they are selling motorcycles from one of the largest corporations in the world.
 
esmirna8261980 said:
This is hilarious so I was right there is a girl?( the funny part is the I was just stereotyping the typical corporate business)you are right I have never put a foot on Ducati of Detroit. And I wont, I live on Florida. I don't work for TT but I can tell you that I know more about Ducati than what you think. I like Ducati Im passionated about it but Im not blind and I don't drink the Ducati kool-aid and if this new ducati is ....... up the brand, yes I will said something

also if you know some much about ducati, please tell me that I'm a liar and ducati never put the desmo on hold to the small dealer to the point that the dealer were refunding customer deposit and a soon the market crash ducati dump all this desmo to the dealer forcing the dealer to buy a $70k bike when the all country were broke. Please tell me how wrong I am.
There is nothing wrong with open a new store in Detroit, what is wrong is that there is no competition, ducati of detroit will get the bike first than anybody,cheaper then anybody, they will get better deal on apparel so at one point they will put life cycle out business too also when this big corporation decide to put their money on something else there is not going to be ducati dealer on detroit.
listen I'm not defending TT I'm defending the mama and papa stores, the people that support Ducati when their were broke and now those are getting the short of the stick, this is not happen just on detroit it happen everywhere.
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I cannot comment about the Desmo as that was so many years ago (would have been almost 8 years ago) that I do not know and thus, cannot comment without it being an opinion - which you do more than enough right now. Dealers order bikes. Ducati delivers their orders. They and the dealer could have never seen 2009 coming and the market issue. Nobody. And if there is ever a time when a dealer gets one before another, there are simple reasons. You apparently don't know those reasons but feel compelled to blame it solely on Ducati with no fault at all by TT.

Your comments as to why they were terminated is what I refer and for others on here. It is simply not true. And what you are saying about Detroit and Life is also inaccurate. Again... Opinions are totally fine and really, a cool thing about these forums. But to discredit and say things that are false or inaccurate is silly. And makes it very easy to discredit. Then to back pedal and say you've never put a foot into Ducati Detroit. But, you try and paint them as some sort of bad guy...
 
anthem said:
So you're ok with a massive company that franchises out to other companies for distribution ? It makes no difference manufacturing or distribution. You're just trying to differentiate to make your own insane argument. If you want to support small stores - then stop buying from one of the largest manufacturers in the world.

there are a ton of small mom and pop shops that build motorcycles. If you want small companies that actually manufacture more than one offs- there are a ton of those too. Bimota, Erik Buell, Motus, Vyrus to name but a few. . But I don't think you're really serious about your mom and pop comment - you're just trying to make what you think is a valid argument on mom and pop dealerships being ok in your mind, but overlooking that they are selling motorcycles from one of the largest corporations in the world.
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Hey if you read my previous post I already said that my last Ducati was the panigale until Ducati get they .... together. I will be
still collecting old Ducati because I love the brand and the history of the company, what I don't like is the way the company is heading and as a consumer I got every right to complain. I'm not a Ducati fan boy I have own the majorly of the brand including a buell blast (yes I said a blast) lol. I even have a collection of Vespa. Because I'm not a brand fan boy I can said that Ducati is going on the wrong direction.

Any way I done with this I'm tire of argument with people who feel happy with a bike that is burning the faring, need a $1000 dash replaced every 3 months, the front fork blew up all the time, crapy fueling.
I will see you when you warranty is up and you go to your corporate store to complain.

Have a nice day :)
 
esmirna8261980 said:
Hey if you read my previous post I already said that my last Ducati was the panigale until Ducati get they .... together. I will be
still collecting old Ducati because I love the brand and the history of the company, what I don't like is the way the company is heading and as a consumer I got every right to complain. I'm not a Ducati fan boy I have own the majorly of the brand including a buell blast (yes I said a blast) lol. I even have a collection of Vespa. Because I'm not a brand fan boy I can said that Ducati is going on the wrong direction.

Any way I done with this I'm tire of argument with people who feel happy with a bike that is burning the faring, need a $1000 dash replaced every 3 months, the front fork blew up all the time, crapy fueling.
I will see you when you warranty is up and you go to your corporate store to complain.

Have a nice day :)
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