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Paul G said:
Some of the replies.... A guy turns up all excited about his new SP and shares what he want to do, asks a few questions then gets Endos "Your Ducati that you spent 60k on is ...." lecture.

I disagree, Ducati make a great bike both the xx99s and the V4 are triumphs of engineering, they look good, sound and go extremely well. Can you improve them? Of course, and the aftermarket knows middle aged men have plenty of coin and dont mind spending it on Ducati dress ups.

There is zero difference between the Harley bros who buy all the cosplay gear, tassles,crap etc and the Ducatista who buy exposed carbon panels and brand name "upgrades" Different bikes, same middle aged market. Racers comprise about .0001% of bike owners so you can safely ignore their opinions on how a street bike should be, same with wannabe racers who have "all the gear and no idea"

Pippa, good luck with the bike, I think that you are in the land of seriously diminishing returns by tuning engine internals. The short answer is that to get more power you need to increase revs, and you will need to spend big time to truly take it to the next level. I think the R is boasting 230 with a pipe? So that should be doable.

OR for a heap of entertainment do what everyone else does to get more fuel/air in and get a blower!
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LOL much like a neutered dog, Paul isn’t getting it. Not surprising. The point was, pragmatically, there is a mathematical equation to this. First and most often there is no strategic planning. It’s short term tactical “feel good” movements. “It’s perfect just the way it is”. Then comes the bug hits and it’s an exhaust, then wheels, carbon, suspension, controls etc. With each mod, parts come off the bike. Parts you paid a premium for on a new bike. Parts you will sell at a steep discount so there goes the “smart money”.

To the point. If you’re going to mod the bike to the point of 50% of the purchase price you should probably look at building if you have any concept of math and smart business. This takes strategic planning before you start. Get a motor, if you want build the motor, and build the bike with the parts you want, how you want it. You will get the bike you want, not loose 40k on something you didn’t, and you don’t have to hustle parts on eBay. It’s just good business.

Taking a new 50k bike, and changing everything on it but the motor and frame is just a poor financial strategy regardless of your income. If you don’t have the skillets, there are plenty of good builders out there. Not trying to be a .... just trying to interject some logic in the process. Identifying what you ultimately want (strategic planning) will go a long way towards a successful project and keep you financially savvy at the same time.
 
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RickD996 said:
Ha, a friend of mine had a supercharged 998. It was hilarious, so much power, well north of 200whp. Impossible to keep the front wheel down, the chassis and electronics had no hope!

SLR handheld can lift the revs, not 100% sure, but maybe another 1,000rpm? Presumably the engine won't last as long, but should be fun.

Supercharger may be more reliable?
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Not sure how you would fit one onto a V4 but the plumbing would be outrageous :p we must have some mad lad here who will do it!
 
endodoc said:
Steven is a classic example. Guy spends 50k on a bike and puts another 50 into it and he’s still going. Do you know why the aftermarket parts business is so big and lucrative? Because the ....... manufacturers aren’t giving a decent size portion of their buyers what they want. They won’t sell you the “good stuff” at the dealership they sell you the OEM .... and the rest is up to you.
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True story, crazy that for $50k you have to drop another $70k into getting the whole bike up to top quality parts.

It’s one of the main reasons I refuse to buy a V4SL, it’s a $100k bike that in my mind still needs at least $20k in parts to make it how I’d want it and because so many of the parts on that bike are bespoke specs you can’t even get better aftermarket parts for a lot of stuff.

You can’t even put different rearsets
 
endodoc said:
Pippa, you got the bike they were offering. So did Steven. You didn’t get the bike you wanted. You’re still dumping money into that thing trying to get what Ducati didn’t deliver. If you were serious about getting what you wanted then you would not have settled for what was offered.

You would have called Motorapido given them a blank check and a build list and had them build you a spec bike but you didn’t. Not arguing with you and I’m not against anyone doing anything they want to but keep it real man. You got the bike that was offered and now your spending money to get it closer to what you wanted.
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Well in my case ignorance was at play being new to this world, I didn’t even know that a Moto-Rapido existed when I bought my bike, I just new I wanted a fast badass bike and for years I always thought the Ducati Monsters were sexy and was an easy jump from liking the Monsters to realizing the Streetfighter was a more badass bike then graduating to the Pani….

But even so, I would still want a street legal bike so I’m not sure I would have went the Motorapido route anyway.

If I had it to do over again I’d probably have saved $25k or $30k and gotten a V4 base and built on top of that though.
 
endodoc said:
LOL much like a neutered dog, Paul isn’t getting it. Not surprising. The point was, pragmatically, there is a mathematical equation to this. First and most often there is no strategic planning. It’s short term tactical “feel good” movements. “It’s perfect just the way it is”. Then comes the bug hits and it’s an exhaust, then wheels, carbon, suspension, controls etc. With each mod, parts come off the bike. Parts you paid a premium for on a new bike. Parts you will sell at a steep discount so there goes the “smart money”.

To the point. If you’re going to mod the bike to the point of 50% of the purchase price you should probably look at building if you have any concept of math and smart business. This takes strategic planning before you start. Get a motor, if you want build the motor, and build the bike with the parts you want, how you want it. You will get the bike you want, not loose 40k on something you didn’t, and you don’t have to hustle parts on eBay. It’s just good business.

Taking a new 50k bike, and changing everything on it but the motor and frame is just a poor financial strategy regardless of your income. If you don’t have the skillets, there are plenty of good builders out there. Not trying to be a .... just trying to interject some logic in the process. Identifying what you ultimately want (strategic planning) will go a long way towards a successful project and keep you financially savvy at the same time.
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Well technically I haven’t really wasted much money except maybe some labor costs….

Because I could just go buy a 2020 V4 for $19k, put every original part back on the Anniversario and every upgrade I bought on the base V4, have pretty much the same bike, abs sell the Aniversario for at least as much as I bought it for ….


Which I might actually do….wouldn’t be any more trouble to do than putting it in the shop for a week.

I’m actually considering it for the sole purpose that I could paint the fairings in a specific paint scheme I have in mind. I’d like to do a matte silver metallic with red accents instead of a red bike with silver metallic accents.

Push comes to shove from a purely mathematical/money standpoint, I’m only REALLY into it for about $5k of truly wasted money for labor, which is a very fair cost for the education I got out of it being new to all this just a year ago.

.... I’ve spent more than that on dinner with my buddies….our wives can’t even LOOK at South Coast Plaza driving by on the highway without spending more than 5k haha.



And as a side note, I get your point in general about it being a better idea to build a bike from scratch, but you know that after doing this for YEARS, I had no idea what I even COULD mod on these bikes, and certainly had no plans to mod this much on it. That just sort of evolved as it happened…I had no intention of doing an entire bike rebuild.

Hindsight is 20/20
 
Name one bike that people with the same mindset as us purchase and do nothing to and leave as stock?

When the discussion gets to the point where even one of the most advanced and refined superbikes ever made available to the general public (the SL) is STILL below par, then its not making sense.

I repeat, you do not have to do anything to any Ducati if you don't want to, but once you decide to personalise your bike there is no upper limit. Sure you can send MotoRapido a blank check or you can buy an ex WSBK and convert it for road use, hell you could spend a million bucks on a bike and it still wouldnt be good enough for some. Its all about what you want and what you are happy with. Very few riders will push an S model beyond its suspension performance limits or if they do then they are in the race group and probably wouldnt buy an S anyway. But for the hard core its part of their enjoyment to buy Mupo and play with shim stacks. Blanket statements that you have to pour 50k into a bike to get it where you want applies to any bike- ZX10, R1, Aprilia etc you name it but they probably dont have quite the same aftermarket as Ducati. For some reason Ducati is viewed in some places as a high end bike, its not it just costs more due to country of origin. It's just the same as a Euro car vs a Japper,

In my experience full custom bikes always suck on some level because they compromise too much in one area and I would never buy one, maybe thats why you can pour 50k into a 50k bike and still only get 35k when you sell it 2 years later.
 
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endodoc said:
Nope, not against new tech at all. Do a little site research. Everything has its place and Ducati thought the right thing to do was to give 98% of V4 buyers a whole bunch of goofy .... they won’t ever have the skill sets to turn on much less use.

If Ducati was serious about it’s privateer effort and it’s serious riders and wanted at least some contrast to the Gucci handbag for men that they currently sell in the showroom they could easily make 200-500 RS bikes with a headlight and a license plate holder. I’d drop 130k all day on that before I would ever drop 50 on aV4R that I have to put another 60 in to get it to make it worth the 50 I paid for it.

if everyone was just born with a big ...., we sure could save a .... ton of money compensating for lack of.
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Man, It truly sounds like you are angry at the world. Sorry, God gives what he gives. I didn't even know buying a motorcycle cause your penis might be small was a thing.
 
Weaver412 said:
Man, It truly sounds like you are angry at the world. Sorry, God gives what he gives. I didn't even know buying a motorcycle cause your penis might be small was a thing.
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😂😂😂

Endo doesn’t post here anymore, probably because of .... like that lol

But I’ve met him and talked with him at length…I’ve been blessed with some successes in life, both financially and athletically when I was younger etc, so I don’t say this lightly…that guy is like my idol hahaha…talk about somebody that’s worked his LIFE out lol

The dude was a former navy pilot, so manly from jump, who is pretty close to a savant of mechanical engineering…he’s in his sixties and gets up at 3am to deadlift, and is more buff than I was in my 20’s, dude makes about $500k A DAY, has 4 employees, spends all his time traveling or on his ranch in his own aircraft hanger/slash world class machine shop and has a Ducati that he hand built that’s one of the best bike builds I’ve ever seen anywhere.

And it’s not like he’s a trustifarian that inherited money, he invented some stuff that revolutionized an entire industry and then was smart enough to make a business model where he, the inventor got to actually monetize his own invention.

That guy dropped some casual words of wisdom on me in passing that’s upgrading my entire career dramatically and I was already doing pretty well before that and didn’t think I could get any better at what I do, thought I had mastered checkers then he points me toward a chessboard 😂😂😂

Trust me when I say this, that guy is the real deal, a Lion among men physically, mentally, and financially, and all self made.

So A he knows what he’s talking about on the engineering of these bikes, and B trust me that he gives no ..... about what you imagine about his .... 😂😂😂

Nor does his gorgeous and smart as hell wife lol
 
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Steven31371 said:
😂😂😂

Endo doesn’t post here anymore, probably because of .... like that lol

But I’ve met him and talked with him at length…I’ve been blessed with some successes in life, both financially and athletically when I was younger etc, so I don’t say this lightly…that guy is like my idol hahaha…talk about somebody that’s worked his LIFE out lol

The dude was a former navy pilot, so manly from jump, who is pretty close to a savant of mechanical engineering…he’s in his sixties and gets up at 3am to deadlift, and is more buff than I was in my 20’s, dude makes about $500k A DAY, has 4 employees, spends all his time traveling or on his ranch in his own aircraft hanger/slash world class machine shop and has a Ducati that he hand built that’s one of the best bike builds I’ve ever seen anywhere.

And it’s not like he’s a trustifarian that inherited money, he invented some stuff that revolutionized an entire industry and then was smart enough to make a business model where he, the inventor got to actually monetize his own invention.

That guy dropped some casual words of wisdom on me in passing that’s upgrading my entire career dramatically and I was already doing pretty well before that and didn’t think I could get any better at what I do, thought I had mastered checkers then he points me toward a chessboard 😂😂😂

Trust me when I say this, that guy is the real deal, a Lion among men physically, mentally, and financially, and all self made.

So A he knows what he’s talking about on the engineering of these bikes, and B trust me that he gives no ..... about what you imagine about his .... 😂😂😂

Nor does his gorgeous and smart as hell wife lol
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and modest, you forgot to mention modest
 
Endo has a good heart, but I’d describe him as more fierce, and focused, than modest lol

Modesty is for the conformist, not the outliers, and modesty is the recommendation of the conformist trying to reign in the outliers. Hubris, and just enough narcissism that it doesn’t cross over into malignant narcissism is a tool of the outlier used along with effort and showing up to separate themselves from the conformists.

Conformist just have a completely different set of values than outliers, and modesty is prized by them, largely because conformists aren’t just interest in themselves conforming, they want EVERYONE to conform.
 
What I mean by modesty is not looking to others for validation or approval, i.e happy in your own skin without the need to disparage others who are not so successful, intelligent, physically capable or courageous in life. I think its a cultural difference, I would never boast about my wife's ...., my wealth or my .... for example but maybe its different in the US?
 
From the way Steven is gushing, he actually might know the size if Endo’s prick haha. But do what makes you happy. I’ve met a bunch of ultra successful people too… and being a .... on internet forums isn’t a prerequisite
 

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