Electronic settings for track/racing.

Chaotic said:

I run Pirelli Slicks (even on my R6). Love them.

That part in bold brings up an interesting point/discussion, because I know of several people who race the new R1 that prefer to run it in "Sport" (or whatever the "2" mode is called on the R1).

It still gives you the same peak HP, but they say it softens the throttle response and makes it much smoother when picking up the gas at apex. And these are Podium-caliber Expert racers who know how to apply the throttle. They just feel like the 2 setting is easier on tires and smoother.

Anybody else here ride quickly or race with the 2 mode?

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I am not a racer just some track days and always use 195 lo which to me gives a nice easy delivery

Chaotic said:

That brings up the one thing that is the most disappointing for me, the fact that you can only select and adjust one thing while riding. I couldn't believe that when I read it in the manual. Like I read it 3 times to make sure I was reading it correctly.

Some of the races are 20 laps long, in extreme heat, on really abrasive tracks, so obviously I may need to adjust the TC as the race goes on. But what if I want to adjust the WC or EB?

The tabs are at the bottom, I don't see why it would be so hard to give us the ability to scroll over, then press the up or down buttons.

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If you are not going to ever use wet mode, couldn't you replicate your settings to that riding mode, except the one you are wanting to change but not fine tune on the fly, and then swap modes to get the other different setting, such as the WC, while still using the adjust button on say the TC?

Sinjin said:

If you are not going to ever use wet mode, couldn't you replicate your settings to that riding mode, except the one you are wanting to change but not fine tune on the fly, and then swap modes to get the other different setting, such as the WC, while still using the adjust button on say the TC?

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Hmm, that is a really good question. I haven't had mine on the track yet, can you swap riding (power) modes on the fly?

If so, I could start with Race mode with all 1s (for example), then setup "Wet" mode with say EB at 2 and WC at 2 and then swap during a practice session to see how I like it.

After selecting new mode, throttle needs to be closed for a couple of seconds for ecu to complete switch.
Could be difficult on the boil, but possible at the end of a decent straight and in the braking zone.

Eh, didn't know that. So that rules that out of the picture. Way too much going on at corner entry to do that.

The only way that would be possible would be if I came into hot pit during a practice session and did it.

It will allow you to select on the straight, but will instruct to close throttle to finalise change.
As long as you adopt a closed throttle for a short period on slow down, it will change seamlessly. Must admit I haven't had the time to change between modes on the fly on track, and I am way down on the sort of speeds/techniques you will be running.

Ahhh ok, so you don't have to do it immediately (close the throttle), but the changes wont take effect until you do?

So you can make the selection, then whenever you finally do close the throttle for 2 seconds, it will make the change, correct?

Chaotic said:

Ahhh ok, so you don't have to do it immediately (close the throttle), but the changes wont take effect until you do?

So you can make the selection, then whenever you finally do close the throttle for 2 seconds, it will make the change, correct?

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Yes in principle. I haven't tested to see if it defaults or times out if you take too long to complete the sequence.
Its not a short attention free process to switch though, needing a few seconds of thumbing and watching the dash. On the road you seem to have plenty time, but things are moving a hell of a lot slower.

Chris.. I've done that but you have roughly 5 to 7 seconds to close the throttle takes about a second to switch then get back in it or whatnot.. if you do not make that window it reverts / stays on the same settings and gets out of the map/mode selection window

TwiztedRabbit said:

Chris.. I've done that but you have roughly 5 to 7 seconds to close the throttle takes about a second to switch then get back in it or whatnot.. if you do not make that window it reverts / stays on the same settings and gets out of the map/mode selection window

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Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks.

I think I would be better off just coming into hot pit, making a change, then going back out.

Or specifying practice sessions to play with one individual setting. Like go out with WC selected and play with it, then pit and go back out with EB selected and play with it. And ultimately find which one I like best in each setting.

Chaotic said:

Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks.

I think I would be better off just coming into hot pit, making a change, then going back out.

Or specifying practice sessions to play with one individual setting. Like go out with WC selected and play with it, then pit and go back out with EB selected and play with it. And ultimately find which one I like best in each setting.

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I seem to think that if you were on a straight and changing gears, at least with a bit of practice, you might be able to develop a method to switch modes...

No inputs what so ever while attempting to switch modes.. it specifies and won't switch if you touch the brakes or throttle.. so tell me where you could do that on the race track while giving it you best.. chris will attest.. full throttle then full brake.. coasting costs time.

I personally think Chaotic should be banned from touching any buttons while riding, and that anything shiny should be taped over. =)

DucatiDetroit said:

For some reason, I just couldn't get a good feel with the Dynamic suspension at Grattan. Rode a Superleggera for a session and the suspension felt so much better. I switched to Fixed settings that I've used before and bike was immediately much better.

Mid Ohio and Gingerman were great though running Dynamic.

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I read your post too fast the first time and didn't catch this part.

I wonder what would make the DES more advantageous or better at certain tracks over others?

I have never been to any of those tracks up there (and Mr. Kraft gives me .... about it relentlessly, because he always comes down to ride with me at the SE tracks, but I haven't been up there once in the 5-6 years we have been good friends. )

Is there something about the layout of those other 2 tracks? More bumps? Elevation changes?

I am trying to figure out if there is something I can learn/take from your experience. Meaning could I be planning for an upcoming even and be like "this will be a good track for DES because of..."

TwiztedRabbit said:

No inputs what so ever while attempting to switch modes.. it specifies and won't switch if you touch the brakes or throttle.. so tell me where you could do that on the race track while giving it you best.. chris will attest.. full throttle then full brake.. coasting costs time.

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This.

There is never even a 1 second period (much less a 5-7sec period) where NOTHING is going on. When JD40 started coaching me back in 2011, one of the first things he said was "the brakes and throttle are your controls, if you are using one of the controls, you are out of control".

And it is true. Always on either the brakes or gas, always, with no exceptions, ever.

If you think about ANY situation where somebody is coasting, they could have carried the gas further and broke harder (or trailed the brakes in deeper).

If anybody has ever been to Barber Motorsports Park and knows that first high speed chicane in the back section (after the museum corner), It is a high speed (4th gear) chicane that connects 2 straights. I used to get to it, roll out of the gas and coast into it, then change directions and roll back into the gas. After following JD and taking some hints, now I approach that corner at WOT and even when I go past the first left hand part of the chicane, I am still in the gas (where I used to be coasting). Then between the 2 chicanes, I stand the bike up and get on the brakes hard, then trail the brakes into the 2nd part (right hander) to let the geometry change from trail braking help the bike turn, then I pour on the gas, let WOT carry me to the edge of the track and use the curbing on the outside like a berm.

But it you plan on going past that left hand curbing in the gas, you have to plan it way back at the exit of the Museum corner and make sure you are on the proper line to open up the radius.

Because that chicane connects the 2 long straights, how fast you get in and out of it is huge. And by changing my method in that one section, I picked up a full second on my lap times.

shakazulu12 said:

I personally think Chaotic should be banned from touching any buttons while riding, and that anything shiny should be taped over. =)

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This is probably the best advice in this thread.

wilkson said:

Run my bike in race mode usually with SC1 front SC2 rear Pirelli Diablo Superbike slick

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Are there times you don't run yours in race mode on a dry track?


Do you race in colder temps? I am curious why you choose the SC2. We never use the SC2. If hot enough, we will run the SC0, if not then we use the SC1.

In the past I have used an SC2 on the front trying to see if it would give me more more braking stability, but went back to the SC1 and got the feel I wanted with more air pressure.

Never liked the feel of the SC1 just a personal choice I use the SC 0 when it's hotter and SC X at Phillip Island .
Have been running the SC2 for years our series runs through winter so usually in colder temps .
I always use my bike in race mode on dry tracks other guys I know sometimes use sport mode on the smaller technical tracks but that was on the 1199 bike .
I have run SC2 fronts in the past as well but as well prefer the feel of the 1. I run my front at 36 PSi hot .

I gotcha, thanks.

The drive grip of the SC0 in hot temperatures is insane.

I am going to be interested to see how the S suspension works for you . You going to eventually get on this bike Im looking forward to hearing your impressions .