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We are saying the same thing but in 2 different ways lol.
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We are saying the same thing but in 2 different ways lol.
Tomorrow I will try to confirm pricing. You may be able to make the fairing physically fit without cutting, but I think you're at risk of melting it from the exhaust tube being too close. I will confirm 1299 exhaust tube diameter too. For other questions about past exhaust diameters etc just contact the manufacturer, Akra or Termi.
Thanks TJ, next to the fitment possibilities/restrictions of a 1299 OEM system to a 1199, I think it's quite interesting if the full Akra of the 1199 is identical to the official 1299 Akra Ducati Performane sytems as some 1199 riders owning a full Akra system may consider unsing this on a new 1299 without any disadvantages, right mapping ensured of course...
Diameter of 1299 system is 60mm, confirmed. Prices may adjust slightly but will remain largely consistent.
Worth noting that the high price is not Ducati adding extra margin and "fleecing" customers, the Akra stuff has eye-wateringly high costs to us too. It's the best production titanium exhaust in the world, simple as that.
On the bright side this bike, bone stock, has a free flowing exhaust, is far lighter than any competitor, and is a beast. The Akra stuff is for those who want to save even more weight, but by no stretch of the imagination is it "needed". Case in point - our tester Ale's time at Mugello in 2014 on a stock 1299s with non-slick street tires (SC1), was only four seconds slower than Nicky Hayden's best testing time a year earlier on Checa's WSBK with full slicks.
Let's put that in perspective. The difference between:
our tester
treaded street tires
production 1299s, bone stock
and
former world-champion, still-active GP rider, pushing the limit in testing
full racing slicks
full WSBK
was 4 seconds on one of the fastest tracks in the world. I'm sure some of you know that tires alone can make that kind of difference on a track like Mugello.
The only faster production bikes are the SL and Pani R. And yes, we test all the competition.
Worth noting that the high price is not Ducati adding extra margin and "fleecing" customers, the Akra stuff has eye-wateringly high costs to us too. It's the best production titanium exhaust in the world, simple as that.
On the bright side this bike, bone stock, has a free flowing exhaust, is far lighter than any competitor, and is a beast. The Akra stuff is for those who want to save even more weight, but by no stretch of the imagination is it "needed". Case in point - our tester Ale's time at Mugello in 2014 on a stock 1299s with non-slick street tires (SC1), was only four seconds slower than Nicky Hayden's best testing time a year earlier on Checa's WSBK with full slicks.
Let's put that in perspective. The difference between:
our tester
treaded street tires
production 1299s, bone stock
and
former world-champion, still-active GP rider, pushing the limit in testing
full racing slicks
full WSBK
was 4 seconds on one of the fastest tracks in the world. I'm sure some of you know that tires alone can make that kind of difference on a track like Mugello.
The only faster production bikes are the SL and Pani R. And yes, we test all the competition.
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Diameter of 1299 system is 60mm, confirmed. Prices may adjust slightly but will remain largely consistent.
Worth noting that the high price is not Ducati adding extra margin and "fleecing" customers, the Akra stuff has eye-wateringly high costs to us too. It's the best production titanium exhaust in the world, simple as that.
On the bright side this bike, bone stock, has a free flowing exhaust, is far lighter than any competitor, and is a beast. The Akra stuff is for those who want to save even more weight, but by no stretch of the imagination is it "needed". Case in point - our tester Ale's time at Mugello in 2014 on a stock 1299s with non-slick street tires (SC2), was only four seconds slower than Nicky Hayden's best testing time a year earlier on Checa's WSBK with full slicks.
Let's put that in perspective. The difference between:
our tester
treaded street tires
production 1299s, bone stock
and
former world-champion, still-active GP rider, pushing the limit in testing
full racing slicks
full WSBK
was 4 seconds on one of the fastest tracks in the world. I'm sure some of you know that tires alone can make that kind of difference on a track like Mugello.
The only faster production bikes are the SL and Pani R. And yes, we test all the competition.
Thanks TJ, so I will keep my full Akra System if I once sell my 1199 and buy a 1299
Thanks TJ, so I will keep my full Akra System if I once sell my 1199 and buy a 1299
Yes! And when you do, put up a thread to tell us what you think of the bike...
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TJ99 - thanks for the reply & information, I wish more manufacturers would engage with customers. Re the Akra price, TBH it's not the money, it's the feeling of being taken for a ride. When the 1199 Akra slip ons (same material, same manufacturing process, same dimensions) are available nearly 32% cheaper it does feel that way. Anyway I promise to shut up about it from now on ;-)
On the bright side only a few months to the first deliveries, old bike has gone & looking forward to picking up the new one.
On the bright side only a few months to the first deliveries, old bike has gone & looking forward to picking up the new one.
They definitely won't work on an 1199, cabling is different and of course 1199 didn't have wheelie control. Price is TBD I think but will check.
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If the Ducati Performance Akra Slip-On Kit for the Panigale R includes a Ti collector for replacing the OEM Akra Ti-collector with flapper valve, the price is not so much more expensive as for the Akra Slip-On for 1199 which only comes with the short connection Ti-Pipe to the Flapper valve housing. Plus you have the Up-Map-Key for the right mapping.
If you by this Akra Ti-collector as a spare part of the Evo-Line, you have to pay around 600 €/460 GBP/700US$ for it!
If the DP Akra Slip-On's doesn't include the Ti-collector, you are right.
It's not clear from the Ducati site....
Regarding the Akra price, I know it's not about the money for a lot of you guys, but nobody here wants you to feel taken for a ride. I can't speak to how aggressive we have been with lowering vendor costs because I'm not involved on that side, but I can promise you that I will push the appropriate people to look into it.
Regarding the other things, me too. I think some brands have become scared of genuine communication, and others don't realize its value. I guess I am a rogue, and like to keep my finger on the pulse of what our most devoted (and critical) customers are saying - where better to find that than here? Plus, I figure that in an era of hyper-sanitized, corporate marketing whitewash, you guys appreciate having someone real to talk to. Frankly, I think that as Ducati owners, you deserve it.
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Agree to that statement. What kills me even more is that all the other exhausts for any other bike are ranging from 300-1000 for slipons and 1300-2500 for the full system even from Akra. The panigale price is so inflated, because thats what the market is willing to pay. If we all took a stand and did not buy the pipes for a year then you would see that price would drop significantly.
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Not certain about that.
Panigale market is very small. Ducati selling about 2.5-3k units world wide of their supersports machines (including the 848 & Streetfighter) in 2012 iirc. Market for aftermarket add-ons for other supersport/superbike machines - especially Japanese - dwarfs whatever Ducati produces. That's probably driving a great deal of the costs. Not worth Akra's time unless they get a premium for them.
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Looks like Ducati sold (worldwide) slightly less than 4k non-899s in their Supersport lineup (i.e. 1199) in 2014 according to Motorcycle.com. If you make a guess as to how many of those 3.9k 1199s are candidates for add-ons - 20% maybe? - you're talking a potential market of ~800 units. Not a lot of opportunity.
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TJ, communicating open and responding with competence to customers which are deeply connected to the brand (which is the case in such a forum) is something most brands don't do. So I'm really appreciating your approach. Is this a general stragegy for Ducati (also for other forums) or just your personal passion?
It's a small enough place that the decisions of an individual can still shape the brand, hopefully that makes sense.
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In all fairness, that collector when part of the Evo kit is much more than just the tiny Y pipe that comes with the slip-one meant to connect the factory Y pipe with the flapper valve to the Akrapovic mufflers. In the full kit, that Y pipe combines the section that has the Y pipe with the upper portion that has the flapper valve.
The problem when examining the price of parts is that you have to factor in availability. The swingarm for an 1199 is something obscene like $2,000. THe whole bike is $19,000 at full retail.
ANY manufacturer would rather sell you the entire completed product than just a part of it.
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TJ99..you certainly do not need me to say it again, as everyone here feels your presence and is obviously sincerely appreciative - "just who are you TJ99"
regarding the Akra Slip-on for the 2015 1199R priced @ $3855 - maybe you could clear it up by finding out exactly what the kit is made up of...it seems logical that it has the Y connector as part of the kit.....what information can you share ?
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I want TJ99 to elaborate a bit more on this statement, "The only faster production bikes are the SL and Pani R. And yes, we test all the competition." Does that mean the SL and new Panigale R are the fastest production bikes in the planet in terms of top speed? Or, the fastest bikes around Mugello? Which other competitors did you test against if you don't mind me asking?
Regarding the Akra Y-collector, I will try to check but it's an extremely busy week here so it may take some time. If anyone has an Akra contact try checking with them first.
Leon I mean the fastest bikes around Mugello. For your second question - all the ones you'd expect.
Leon I mean the fastest bikes around Mugello. For your second question - all the ones you'd expect.
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