First impressions

Seriously, if you can't spell Panigale, you probably shouldn't own one. It's even at the top of this forum in the logo in case you forget.

SPJ said:

The side stand is a pain if you are used to using your heel to get it down, in fact it's nigh on impossible. Modifications not neccessary though, if you move your foot behind and under the peg it is easy to push it down with your toe. Nothing major, it'll just take a while to get used to.

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Just figured this out on the way home too. Use your toes from behind the rearset and do it blind. You can't see your toes as they're below the rearset - use the force, Luke.

More on the laggy throttle response...

Happened again on the way home tonight. Its intermittent, there's no obvious cause and happens when the bike is at constant throttle. The exhaust volume will change suddenly and dramatically (quieter) even though progress is unchanged. Then, when you roll-on, the engine bogs like a stroker with an air leak. If you roll-on even more the original exhaust noise returns and the throttle picks up suddenly. Setting 195hi didn't help and may not be the best idea as when it does pick up its not good to have a big handful of throttle close behind another vehicle. It's not a big problem, but I'm going to speak to the dealer about it. I'm sure someone else mentioned sudden changes in exhaust volume.

BTW I much prefer the 195hi throttle response and have reprogrammed Sport mode to use this in preference to 195lo, might need to reevaluate this when I have access to the full rev range after run-in.

PaddockStand said:

..... The exhaust volume will change suddenly and dramatically (quieter) even though progress is unchanged. Then, when you roll-on, the engine bogs like a stroker with an air leak.......

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Sounds like the exhaust valve shutting on you, programed or not.. Did you note the RPM?

DRSapp said:

Sounds like the exhaust valve shutting on you, programed or not.. Did you note the RPM?

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Exactly what I thought. It's hard to note exact RPM as the scale is so small low down. I recon it happens at about 30 mph in 2nd and now I think about it, I'm not sure it didn't happen on the same uphill section of road. Should be able to work out the RPM, but it won't be very high. I'll try to reproduce it.

PaddockStand said:

... I recon it happens at about 30 mph in 2nd and now I think about it, I'm not sure it didn't happen on the same uphill section of road...

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Interesting.. Just a guess that it could be to do with engine RPM, gear and throttle position - using the exhaust valve to reduce the noise to pass the EC WVTA noise testing. Though I'm not familiar with the test, I understand that they conduct static and ride by tests. I recall reading somewhere that 50 kph was one of the ride by speeds..

Would be interesting to be able to recreate this issue and then try a different gear/speed/throttle combination.. well, interesting to me anyway

DRSapp said:

Interesting.. Just a guess that it could be to do with engine RPM, gear and throttle position - using the exhaust valve to reduce the noise to pass the EC WVTA noise testing. Though I'm not familiar with the test, I understand that they conduct static and ride by tests. I recall reading somewhere that 50 kph was one of the ride by speeds..

Would be interesting to be able to recreate this issue and then try a different gear/speed/throttle combination.. well, interesting to me anyway

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Makes sense, there's no way the exhaust would pass homologation without some sort of trickery. It makes more noise than my Daytona Arrow exhaust with the baffles out. If this is the cause, I assume it can be mapped out. Would be interesting to see if it happens with the Termi's. Do you know if the Termi's are e marked for road use?

Bit of a wild guess here, but 30mph in second is very low revs, and if you're moving at constant speed it's also very, very light throttle, sort of like when you're barely taking the slack out of the cable on an analog bike. Of course with no cables and full ride by wire on the Panigale, you're depending on the ECU to interpret what you want it to do, and at near-zero throttle maybe what's in your personal ECU (i.e., head) and the bike's are a bit out of sync. Doubt the 195hi or lo modes are to blame as they should only be affecting the linearity curve of the throttle response.

If the above describes the situation I'd suggest turning off the EBC to see if that had any effect, since it sounds like it might be cycling between modes.

EDIT - forgot to add, I have a Daytona in my garage too so I'd love to hear more about how the Pani compares in terms of handling and ergos; obviously tons quicker.

Ahhhh what like PENIGALE......? Well spotted, attention to detail, good to see frosty. However the fact I didn't have the time to check thro my post for typos wouldn't really constitute not deserving to have a 'PANIGALE' would it?? That's harsh.....

Pogley said:

Hey padddock stand thanks for that report and come back to us as soon as you can add anything. We're hanging out to hear.
Its great to hear from forumn riders what they think of the new bike... theres been a few seeds of doubt lately and we need to know we've made the right descision on the panegale.
In the 2012 lineup what a looker but what we want to know as well is it going to give us you know prolonged sessions of pure riding pleasure.
I've never ridden a 675 but have read some amazing reports on the bike its handling ..etc a lot of guys here use them on the track.

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You weren't the only one.

Ahhh fair one! I'm normally so very thorough too! Can't believe I missed it.....

Anyone want my deposit... .

Yea right.

ok everybody who's ever misspelled a word relating to ducati or the 1199 give their place in line for a new panigale to the guy with blue waffle disease on his rabbit's head.
because aside from his rabbit's ailment - he's perfect.

flynbulldog said:

ok everybody who's ever misspelled a word relating to ducati or the 1199 give their place in line for a new panigale to the guy with blue waffle disease on his rabbit's head.
because aside from his rabbit's ailment - he's perfect.

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Just saying, it's pretty sad if you can't even spell the name of the exotic Italian motorcycle you're buying correctly.

Penisgale.

There. I said as I wrote it, too.

Quality....just like the pinigaile delivery date... Dow

Now down to some serious forum chat on relevant matters....

Can you fit a side car to it?

how does the acceleration on this feel compared to the beemer?

Steve B said:

Bit of a wild guess here, but 30mph in second is very low revs, and if you're moving at constant speed it's also very, very light throttle, sort of like when you're barely taking the slack out of the cable on an analog bike. Of course with no cables and full ride by wire on the Panigale, you're depending on the ECU to interpret what you want it to do, and at near-zero throttle maybe what's in your personal ECU (i.e., head) and the bike's are a bit out of sync. Doubt the 195hi or lo modes are to blame as they should only be affecting the linearity curve of the throttle response.

If the above describes the situation I'd suggest turning off the EBC to see if that had any effect, since it sounds like it might be cycling between modes.

EDIT - forgot to add, I have a Daytona in my garage too so I'd love to hear more about how the Pani compares in terms of handling and ergos; obviously tons quicker.

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Not sure this is it, while the revs are low, they're not so low that the ECU should be confused about my intentions. The exhaust muffling in question is more pronounced than just rolling-off, its like it's actively decided to go into stealth mode and you have to use quite a bit of throttle to break it out of the cycle. Even as you roll-on the throttle, the exhaust remains quiet and the response laggy, until all of a sudden it picks up and the exhaust note returns instantly. It's nothing like the charcateristic slightly lumpy response you get at low revs from big twins.

As regards the Daytona comparison...

Based on my 5'9" (175cm) the ergonomics are similar, the bars feel a bit further away, assuming you sit in the middle or towards the back of the saddle. I know its hard to believe, but it's much narrower than the Daytona and it fells like your knees are almost touching; the only thing separating them is the width of the rear cylinder. As a consequence the front of the saddle is narrower than the Daytona's and while this will be good when the adrenalin is pumping at the track, I tend to sit a little further back most of time as its more comfortable for longer rides. Height wise it's about the same as the Daytona and the position of the foot pegs feels familiar. I have no trouble touching the ground with both feet. The saddle feels a little more tipped forward than the Daytona's. From what I have read, the race saddle is thicker at the front, which might not be a bad thing. As per the Daytona, it will make your wrists hurt if you're lazy with your knees/stomach muscles - free workout as you ride From what I remember, it's less relaxed than the S1000RR, but I've not spent long on this bike.

As for handling, it feels a little more fluid than the Daytona and seems to require less active input. The Daytona is a cornering machine, if you set it up right for each turn, but the Panigale seems to require less effort for the same outcome (subject to some track time). Somehow it feels more natural to stick the Panigale on it's ear - not sure why.

Hope this helps.

P.S. Did I spell Panagali right?

My '08 CBR was the same way with the exhaust. If you were under 3,500 it was quiet, cross over and the valve opened up. In neutral the valve wouldn't open. I always thought it was to pass noise requirements sounds like the panegalleeii might be the same.

It's a butterfly valve on the exhaust.

PaddockStand said:

I guess and an alternative you could change road mode to 195hi and you'd get all the other road settings with the modified throttle response.

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Sure.

I was just answering his question.
Seems he likes the race settings but not the display.