Got rid of the 1299s

Like I have said, this isn't error operator. I've had quite a few bikes. I simply got tired of the issues. Instead of waiting and waiting for a resolution. I moved on.

I don't keep my clutch in at 20+mph. Never had an issue with stalling any other bike. I am aware all Ducatis stall. It's my fifth one, this wasn't typical.

I don't keep my clutch in at 20+mph. Never had an issue with stalling any other bike. I am aware all Ducatis stall. It's my fifth one, this wasn't typical.

My Ducati's don't stall, just to address your assertion. Not saying yours didn't....

Too funny, My R stalled once or twice then I adapted! I believe the grip on the right side prevents stalling.

speedy14 said:

Yep I totally agree! I unfortunately went the route of the Akropovic (with up map, Rapid Bike Racing module and Sprint filter and many many trips back to the dealer just to get it running decent)
Oh, and lets not forget the fact they had to replace the factory ECU and the complete fuel injection and throttle body etc )
So Now after an additional $5K it now runs way it should have from the factory)
I now have over $30K in mine and it finally runs great (other than the fact I never know when it is going to die on me in the middle of in intersection etc)

I Love the bikes looks and power etc. and I intend to keep it for a while since I went through all the pain ,expense and heartache to get it right.. but it is the last Ducati I will purchase...

As fine a motorcycle as it is, and as beautiful as it is, it is just not worth it...
Kind of like my original analogy.. It is like dating an Italian Supermodel.. You fall in love right away because she is so beautiful and exotic...At first you put up with the finicky nature and the extra expense and attention she requires . But after a while she turns into a total ..... and it is just not worth it!

Speedy

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Bro why did they have to change the factory ECU and the other stuff? Which rapid bike did you got? I was thinking about getting the racing

Weird...I thought my Duc has had minimal issue since birth but I didn't know it was supposed to stall. I better get it to the dealer and ask them why mine won't stall.

In all seriousness, I have only had a couple minor issues (signal harness, loose ground wire, front decal/paint) and now it seems like I need the front brakes bled more often. But I do love my Pani as its the most gorgeous bike I've ever owned and I've had fun with some road trips and track days on it.

I do agree that the price for a Ducati expensive vs others brands and like Mark said, I can't see myself getting rid of it eithe due to today's value and loss. I'll keep it and enjoy it for a long while. Do I regret buying it, absolutely not!

It sounds like the wrong type of bike for you. Something more "streetable" like a GSXR750/1000 might be a better choice.

I'm sure you had some legit service and warranty issues. But it also sounds like operator issues as well.

When a bike is designed, it can a street oriented sportbike with very little character, or it can be a track oriented bike with the issues and "character flaws" associated with that type of setup. Which way do you think the Pani's needle is pointing? For example, the last Ferrari I had the pleasure to drive was an absolute complete POS on the street. A Porsche is a better choice for such.

2 giant pistons with very little stroke are going to have ride ability issues at low RPM, that's just the way it's going to be with any piston engine this oddly shaped. That's also the way it's going to be with a weak bottom end, overgeared 600 or Zx10r, so I don't get the stalling issue.

2 tiny radiators and little or no fan and you're going to overheat in traffic.

For around town stuff at 55mph and less, a simple 35hp DRZ400s is far more fun than a sportbike, especially a trackday oriented superbike.

I can't comment on the oil in the airbox bit. I haven't experienced that. But in other engines:
-oil being sucked past the rings from excessive amounts of high rpm use with the throttles closed. Engine vaccuum sucks the oil in.
-huge pistons
-racey piston rings
-condensation in oil
-incorrect oil level

That being said, if I could get a decent integrated turn signal setup, my 1199 would be perfect just the way it is (once it's cat cored). I've only had the front turn signal harness issue and 1 fail to start when hot (red hot).

Grayson is a good guy and I can definitely relate to what he went through. It's very frustrating and honestly life is too short to be pissed at a motorcycle or unhappy with something that is supposed to give you serenity .

Buliwyf said:

2 giant pistons with very little stroke are going to have ride ability issues at low RPM, that's just the way it's going to be with any piston engine this oddly shaped. That's also the way it's going to be with a weak bottom end, overgeared 600 or Zx10r, so I don't get the stalling issue.

2 tiny radiators and little or no fan and you're going to overheat in traffic.

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This.

The shop that built mine into a race bike and also my engine builder/tuner BOTH said the same thing "this motor has no business at low RPM's, it is not designed to run down there".

Macattack said:

Grayson is a good guy and I can definitely relate to what he went through. It's very frustrating and honestly life is too short to be pissed at a motorcycle or unhappy with something that is supposed to give you serenity .

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With the other comments being said, i totally agree with this also.

This subject/thread points to some of the reasons i have always said the Panigale is a ...... street bike. You CAN ride one on the street, just like you CAN ride on on the dirt or in the snow. But that is not what it is designed for nor what it is best at.

When somebody makes a conscious decision to task a bike with something other than its intended and designed purpose, they can't complain when it is ...... at said task.

And life is too short and these things are too expensive to be unhappy.

The panigale is a motorcycle. The panigale has two wheels. The panigale is designed to be operated either on the road or track.

My point is the panigale is not designed to be in a shop for a month at a time resulting in 13 weeks of time lost.

Ducati's generally make ...... road bikes.

Ok. My twopen'orth. Ducati make race bikes. Their first bike was a cycle with an engine (a moped). Their road bikes are bikes to be ridden on the road. Because they race in WSB they have to make 'homologated' specials usually designated 'R' (or SPS). Anyone buying one of these specials should expect a hard time on the road. What we seem to have with the 1299/Panigale R is a reversal of this situation where the 15/16 R is actually better as a road bike than the 1299. I have adapted my riding style on my 1299s so I can cope with it (look at my bike history, it's not my first Ducati) but it is very different from the 1199s. I will always have a Ducati; maybe my next one should be an'R'.

I understand every one's point's. I've had no problems with the bike. If it does break down I'll probably just get rid of it too. That is something I will not stand. Didn't buy it to get stuck. Expecially since every one of my 14 other bikes never broke down. For now I'm good though. Very happy with the bike.

dmboone25 said:

This is a really interesting thread to me - I have been a loyal Ducati owner (M1200S currently) but have never had one of the company's superbikes. I have become really interested in the 1299, as it has been marketed to have fixed some of the perceived drawbacks of the 1199.

The most common problem I have read about, prior to this thread, is about the heat coming off the pipe under the seat. There are people online (yes, taken with a grain of salt, but still) who claim to have been bruised and/or blistered from that heat. I was curious if you guys have experienced that or if it really isn't too bad?

To the OP, thank you for the honest feedback. It is helpful, especially when considering a 25K+ toy.

I plan to test ride a 1299 this weekend - I have given the 899 a go a few times now and really like it. Want to see how the big brother works out.

Cheers,
David

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I had the first year 1199 (2012) and now a 1299. I live in NC. The heat is bad in the summer but a good thing the other 3 seasons. I never experienced any burns like what I have read about from motorcycle reviewers. I think they need to put on some asbestos panties.

...lets cut to the chase here: if you're getting heat off the bike, enough that makes you uncomfortable...you're simply not getting enough air flow through the bike - ease off on the tip-toeing around and throttle it up....it just gets better & better

-The End

I love the Panigale so much, I am gonna get a second one. The next one will be the 1199R.

And to vex the author even more, I will probably use the R on the street and the S will become the track only machine.

It's weird but I don't have a desire to ever go back to Japanese bikes again. Ever. Rode them for over 20 years.

Love the finicky nature of Ducati. Some days not so much.

JHTmcrider said:

I love the Panigale so much, I am gonna get a second one. The next one will be the 1199R.

And to vex the author even more, I will probably use the R on the street and the S will become the track only machine.

It's weird but I don't have a desire to ever go back to Japanese bikes again. Ever. Rode them for over 20 years.

Love the finicky nature of Ducati. Some days not so much.

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yup...agree completely (even though i have a zx6r back-up bike tucked away)