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Steven31371 said:
Yes, it is, even says it in the name 😂😂😂
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True, but if you’re going to sell to the retail market then you do need to make a bit more effort.

If you’re buying race parts that aren’t necessarily designed for your vehicle then it’s normal to expect a bit of creativity to be required to fit them, otherwise they should just fit. Again, I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation.

I was looking at some fairings recently - the race ones were not drilled so you can drill the size hole you want for your application and the fittings you want to use, whereas the street ones were pre-drilled for use with the standard OEM fittings, and you’d absolutely expect them to fit, holes to be the correct size and position, etc, unless the argument is that they aren’t from Ducati so use a drill and make them fit...

It seems to me that an innocent mistake was made, which was no doubt frustrating for both parties, a lesson learned by the manufacturer to not make assumptions and a refund provided as a consequence. Annoying, but not the end of the world and a situation certainly not created by the OP.

I reserve the right to have a rant if mine doesn’t fit. đŸ€Ł
 
Steven31371 said:
That’s reasonable, but in my 30 years or so messing around with modding, motorsports, and aftermarket parts nothing ever goes exactly as planned, that’s why there is a difference between OEM and aftermarket.

With OEM parts tens of millions of dollars are spent in R&D and tooling to get a well fitting part for the masses, but being designed for a ‘baseline’ of consumers many people like to operate outside the baseline, or need to.

Then the modding with aftermarket parts begins. Now you are into short run or sometimes even “one off” parts that are customized to you, those are NEVER long run consistently produced parts, they simply can’t be because they’d have to spend tens of millions of dollars in R&D and tooling in most cases to do so.

Simply put, 100% of the time there is going to be a gap between what is and what’s supposed to be. If it’s a high quality aftermarket short run or one off part that gap will be small, if it’s poor quality that gap will be big. Either way, 95% of aftermarket parts I’ve ever bought require at least a little bit of ‘fiddling’ to get right.

Your PERSONAL tolerance for fiddling to make it work is going to determine a lot of how well you like a part and get use out of it, this is what I was referring to when I said 90% of the people here would have had that seat on in ten minutes and moved on with life lol

If you have ZERO tolerance for fiddling to get something right you should either have your shop do it for you and move on, or only buy OEM.
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I get that and you’re not wrong, but
 it’s just a seat and it shouldn’t be hard to ensure that it fits They admit that this wasn’t checked for the new model, which was obviously an oversight on their part due to making assumptions and not making the effort to have a final check. They obviously cannot have every bike available to them, although they should have friendly dealers nearby and make the effort. As I said, I expect they’ve learned something from this.

Parts that are designed for the track will often have very little thought given to aesthetics and production consistency might not be the same as found in products with larger production runs, but if you start selling those parts to the retail market rather than just to race teams and privateers then you do need to ensure that it fits and that standards are perhaps a little higher.

You get this with, for example, seats for an old 911. Recaro Pole Positions are the go-to seat and the brackets fit - they’ve been done enough times that the fitment and process are very well known. Get something custom made or something that’s not been fitted before and you expect that you might have some fun and games making it fit. I’d expect RaceSeats to fit into the Recaro scenario. I’ll find out shortly
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spooky said:
Parts should fit, regardless of being aftermarket or not. If parts require fettling in order to fit them then that says something, and not about the person who bought those parts.

I don’t think that expecting aftermarket parts to fit is unreasonable.
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Or at least a respectable manufacturer would state that the part needs some modifications to fit... which is sometimes the case.

In any case, the subject debate appears to be closed as Raceseats have indirectly admitted to the .......

Also, most reputable aftermarket manufacturers parts do in fact fit without the need for modifications. If most of the carbon bodywork manufacturers can get it right then a seat manufacturer has no excuse.

A lot of the times things don't fit is because people are combining related parts from different manufacturers... this is a different matter entirely.
 
spooky said:
True, but if you’re going to sell to the retail market then you do need to make a bit more effort.

If you’re buying race parts that aren’t necessarily designed for your vehicle then it’s normal to expect a bit of creativity to be required to fit them, otherwise they should just fit. Again, I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation.

I was looking at some fairings recently - the race ones were not drilled so you can drill the size hole you want for your application and the fittings you want to use, whereas the street ones were pre-drilled for use with the standard OEM fittings, and you’d absolutely expect them to fit, holes to be the correct size and position, etc, unless the argument is that they aren’t from Ducati so use a drill and make them fit...

It seems to me that an innocent mistake was made, which was no doubt frustrating for both parties, a lesson learned by the manufacturer to not make assumptions and a refund provided as a consequence. Annoying, but not the end of the world and a situation certainly not created by the OP.

I reserve the right to have a rant if mine doesn’t fit. đŸ€Ł
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Yeah there’s definitely some grey area here, I think the screws not lining up is a nothing burger, but the seat not being to his spec is a burger.

But even so they offered a refund or replacement with him paying shipping, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

I’m mostly picking on him cause he’s fun to pick on, and because he’s trashing ti whole company while he’s the only person I’ve ever seen not happy with their seat.

Instead of saying: “I had bad luck or a breakdown in communication that we are working on. So everyone else’s good experience isn’t mine so far.”

He’s trashing the whole company in a very public way, trolling them intentionally in a way that can affect people’s livelihood. People who have so far served me well.
 
This thread is a case study in why Ducati customers are oft considered the most intolerable of motorsports consumers, yet everyone deals with them because $$$.
 
Steven31371 said:
Yeah there’s definitely some grey area here, I think the screws not lining up is a nothing burger, but the seat not being to his spec is a burger.

But even so they offered a refund or replacement with him paying shipping, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

I’m mostly picking on him cause he’s fun to pick on, and because he’s trashing ti whole company while he’s the only person I’ve ever seen not happy with their seat.

Instead of saying: “I had bad luck or a breakdown in communication that we are working on. So everyone else’s good experience isn’t mine so far.”

He’s trashing the whole company in a very public way, trolling them intentionally in a way that can affect people’s livelihood. People who have so far served me well.
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Yeah, he probably could have reacted differently. đŸ€Ł

I certainly don’t think that the one instance I have seen of an unhappy customer means that the Company is to be avoided. Brexit and the resulting customs issues does make it much harder to deal with a Company in the EU when something like this happens, for those of you that have not yet abandoned the UK. Not a problem for me ! :D

Wait until I find out that my seat doesn’t fit though
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spooky said:
Are they? Considered by whom?
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I can see it, these bikes are the Ferrari’s of the bike world. Fast and beautiful, capable at the track but not a hardcore down and scrappy track bike unless you make it that way.

I’ve been meaning to write a funny oped about those ....... blue nuts at the top of the forks lol

Most racers and track guys I’ve known over the years will hold their .... together with ductape and bailing wire if it gets them on the track faster lol

But let a guy take a set of channel locks to those blue nuts to adjust his forks and get back out on the track and he’s pretty much universally responded to with a mix of horror and disdain from the Ducatistas 😂😂😂

Ask me how I know lol

Also I can’t count how many times a shop came to me wringing their hands worried about having to mark a fairing or cut or drill something to make stuff fit together, like they are scared of the Ducati lol

And I like, it’s mostly a track bike man, just cut that part off with a dremmel or drill the hole right there lol
 
Thanks, 12 pages TLDR!

Its not that hard to mod the stock seat, remove the cover and trim the foam.
 
do forum search, people have done a few times it to fit gel pads. Im happy with the stock seat
 
Paul G said:
do forum search, people have done a few times it to fit gel pads. Im happy with the stock seat
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Your earlier suggestion of trimming would only make the seat smaller - not wider, higher, etc. It’s not really what the topic is about but great that you are happy with the stock seat. 👍
 

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