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You clearly haven't read Ducati's Non-Disclosure agreement! ha ha!
We call it the Sgt. Schultz agreement.
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You don't sign anything to get a spy photo
Heaps of stuff can happen
Phones can be hacked, someone went were they shouldn't on a tour, employees etc
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No dealer is going to risk something like that. I was merely suggesting JarelJ or a.n. other could allude as to the accuracy of the recent photos. They are not imparting info on an actual production bike they will have access to, but would simply be stating their opinion of a now well publicized series of images. You cant disclose what's already exposed (assuming these are real photos).You don't sign anything to get a spy photo
Heaps of stuff can happen
Phones can be hacked, someone went were they shouldn't on a tour, employees etc
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That it was an authentic picture, yes. Not that this was the final design. If it were then it makes absolutely no sense in upholding any non-disclosure agreements, if what we see is what we'll get. If the design is indeed fixed then it's not going to encourage pre-orders and ultimately any future sales figures come 2018 as we will already know what to expect. Given that fact, if a dealer is candid about the current images, you have to ask yourself why. What's more unless the bike that's revealed in November is a significant step change to what we've been served up so far as the "real-deal", then the launch is going to go down like a lead balloon. The negative reactions to date will also drive interest down and affect future potential sales, unless the boys at Bologna have pulled off their biggest ruse yet and have us all barking up the wrong tree. If they manage that then I salute their marketing department. If not, then they will be promoting a very expensive lemon, post it's Milan unveiling.
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Then we're just back around to what "IT" is again...... "IT" meaning it's an actual motorcycle produced by Ducati being ridden by a Ducati rider? That I have little doubt of, looks like a real bike to me. If it's a pure photoshop created from scratch then someone has WAY too much time on their hands. But if "IT" in your parlance means this IS the final bike in complete form that will be unveiled at EICMA, then I'd say the odds are not very strong for lots of reasons. I don't know and haven't seen the bike to be unveiled, and after I see it I will be sworn to disavow seeing it until EICMA, so at this point ALL OF US are just speculating, there are NO facts other than the engine details that Claudio unveiled. So treat all the information as such, no point in stating firm positions and making decisions based upon it. I don't like that photo at all, but I also see it's purposely distorted, so once you know that why would you try so hard to still "trust" it?
My point was simply that as of now, TJ's confirmation that the bike in the leaked pics was the new v4 Superbike is as close as we're going to get to any certainty until there's more leaks and/or EICMA.
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How much HP are we looking at ?
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oh c'mon. we've all been around long enough to remember how we thought something looked bad in pics but turned out to be pretty good looking in real life (e.g., a girl, a bike, etc.).
i remember recently thinking the panigale was ugly was i first saw it online. i didn't think that after i saw it in person. things "grow" on you too (maybe not a 999, but some do).
i remember recently thinking the panigale was ugly was i first saw it online. i didn't think that after i saw it in person. things "grow" on you too (maybe not a 999, but some do).
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What a song and dance about a new bike. Cannot believe the impatience of some people to have to know right now. Who cares ? You will see it after the show in Italy. Then if you like it you buy it and if not, then don,t buy it.
And for those that carry on about Ducati losing sales, well guess what, Ducati are doing pretty well without your input.
Some of these posts are a great example of our "I want it now, I have to have it now society." Also the "I have to know right now society."
And I am sure anyone who signs a non-disclosue will not talk about. And neither should they. Its not a secret if everyone talks about it. It will just spoil the surprise. If TJ99 had any loyalty to Ducati he would not have shot his mouth off.
And for those that carry on about Ducati losing sales, well guess what, Ducati are doing pretty well without your input.
Some of these posts are a great example of our "I want it now, I have to have it now society." Also the "I have to know right now society."
And I am sure anyone who signs a non-disclosue will not talk about. And neither should they. Its not a secret if everyone talks about it. It will just spoil the surprise. If TJ99 had any loyalty to Ducati he would not have shot his mouth off.
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I was talking to my dealer about it yesterday. If you want a decent size comparison, go look at a Supersport. It has the fairing over the frame that extends up to the tank. The frame that runs to the back cylinder which will be the brace you can see in the spy shot. That's not a bad bike and it shouldn't be much bigger. As he put it, Ducati don't make ugly bikes.
However, as the V4 R won't be out for at least another year, 2019, I did take out a Scrambler cafe racer which, should the V4 not float my boat, I will probably put beside the R while I wait. That's a fun little machine, take your racing brain out, turn the key and bugger off.
However, as the V4 R won't be out for at least another year, 2019, I did take out a Scrambler cafe racer which, should the V4 not float my boat, I will probably put beside the R while I wait. That's a fun little machine, take your racing brain out, turn the key and bugger off.
I have as much right to make comments on something in the public domain as you do, so back off.
You seem to be irritated or offended by people wanting to discuss something. Guess what, a forum's not the best place to avoid that.
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I would go as far as to say TJ has even more of a right to be critical. By the way TJ, feel free to let us know what you are working on next when you are allowed to. Always interested to hear about what someone in your capacity had a hand in.
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If security is this lax, then it's highly likely more info/pics will leak out post the dealer conference. Human nature being what it is, the lure of a sneaky shot might just be too much to resist. As long as the photo itslef is not traceable back to the perpetrator, then it's hard to point the finger of blame. Remember the 1199 Superleggera spy pic? Or the Supersport pic from Misano.
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Im thinking Jessica Simpson!
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