How many will buy a 1299 twin instead of new V4?

adrian7 · Nov 7, 2017

ajctraveler said:
I was expecting to see a flood of 1299's for sale on here and eBay after the release (well, before I saw the release). But so far, crickets...

Same..
I will be returning stateside in April and I was anticipating the V4.

Since I'm not really hooked on the overall design I think I will be hoping to get a '17 1299 S with sub 5k miles for around 16 or so.

Not that I would ever do such a thing, but if I could find one at $16k and possibly fix the price a little on the title transfer I'd be looking at $12-13k/45% in savings compared to a V4S @ $27k + full tax + delivery costs etc.

I'm still hoping the 1299's will start going down a little once we get closer to launch and start seeing the V4 out and about.

jjsC6 · Nov 7, 2017

adrian7 said:
Same..
I will be returning stateside in April and I was anticipating the V4.

Since I'm not really hooked on the overall design I think I will be hoping to get a '17 1299 S with sub 5k miles for around 16 or so.

Not that I would ever do such a thing, but if I could find one at $16k and possibly fix the price a little on the title transfer I'd be looking at $12-13k/45% in savings compared to a V4S @ $27k + full tax + delivery costs etc.

I'm still hoping the 1299's will start going down a little once we get closer to launch and start seeing the V4 out and about.

Got you down as a "yes"

jarelj · Nov 7, 2017

ajctraveler said:
I was expecting to see a flood of 1299's for sale on here and eBay after the release (well, before I saw the release). But so far, crickets...

Why would people want to sell their current bike 6 months before they are getting a new bike? I suspect most people who are swapping an 1199/1299 for a V4 will be trading their current bike in.

This I can tell you, today is the first day we've been open at our store since the release on Sunday and the phone has been ringing off the hook all morning, and every call is about the V4.

ajctraveler · Nov 7, 2017

jarelj said:
Why would people want to sell their current bike 6 months before they are getting a new bike?

Because winter.

able duc · Nov 7, 2017

ajctraveler said:
Because winter.

And also some will think the sky will fall in because of the new model, so get in early before the rush.

Sherpa23 · Nov 7, 2017

You know what I want to know? What will 1299 Superleggera prices do now?

jjsC6 · Nov 7, 2017

Sherpa23 said:
You know what I want to know? What will 1299 Superleggera prices do now?

What's a Superleggera?

DStyleNZL · Nov 7, 2017

able duc said:
And also some will think the sky will fall in because of the new model, so get in early before the rush.

Happened in Aust. when the 1299 came out. 1199 value when down a fair bit.
There are 1199 base selling for less than a 899 now.

able duc · Nov 7, 2017

DStyleNZL said:
Happened in Aust. when the 1299 came out. 1199 value when down a fair bit.
There are 1199 base selling for less than a 899 now.

I've got an 899 I want $13000AU for and having to deal with 8500 to 10000
offers

cpettit · Nov 7, 2017

I bought the 1299 because I figure at 40 years old I will never need to buy another track bike after this. No way will I ever be able to use it to its full potential and it should age pretty well.

As for street bikes.......... that's another story but I have no desire to own a full on sport bike for the street anymore. I could dig a new Ducati STV4 though. One can dream right?

Halo2 · Nov 7, 2017

DStyleNZL said:
Happened in Aust. when the 1299 came out. 1199 value when down a fair bit.
There are 1199 base selling for less than a 899 now.

That’s because the mining boom is over/work everywhere has dried up and people with money are the older age/smarter with money they want smaller cc bikes/usable power not top end.

So people looking at secondhand panigales that still had money after boom want it for a steal and then you have dreamers to deal with.

AmpForE · Nov 7, 2017

Sherpa23 said:
You know what I want to know? What will 1299 Superleggera prices do now?

jjsC6 said:
What's a Superleggera?

If a dealer has a Superleggera on the showroom floor right now, they are going to have to seriously discount it to move it. And yes, I know of a dealer that has one on the showroom floor right now.

Rogue · Nov 8, 2017

I just saw a low mileage one on the book of faces going for $69k. They're gonna have to come down quite a bit more IMO.

topolino · Nov 8, 2017

Cant see the prices of the 1299SL coming down anytime soon. It's technically a very different bike to the V4 and whilst it does not boast all the latest derivations from the MotoGP bike, it will remain a groundbreaking model due to it's extensive use of lightweight materials and exclusive parts plus it's performance owing to those weight savings.

jjsC6 · Nov 8, 2017

topolino said:
Cant see the prices of the 1299SL coming down anytime soon. It's technically a very different bike to the V4 and whilst it does not boast all the latest derivations from the MotoGP bike, it will remain a groundbreaking model due to it's extensive use of lightweight materials and exclusive parts plus it's performance owing to those weight savings.

The best way to determine what it will do is look back at what happened to the Desmocidici. I have not done much research on it, but if I'm not mistaken it's high price was short lived. $70,000 is just a shitload of money for any bike.

Okay, just looked them up. They are holding up now as a collector item. I guess I'm not sure what they did when it went out of production. Might have been a bad example. But then again, it was a totally different bike.

Riki · Nov 8, 2017

topolino said:
Cant see the prices of the 1299SL coming down anytime soon. It's technically a very different bike to the V4 and whilst it does not boast all the latest derivations from the MotoGP bike, it will remain a groundbreaking model due to it's extensive use of lightweight materials and exclusive parts plus it's performance owing to those weight savings.

i think has the same or similar electronical package of the V4.

jarelj · Nov 8, 2017

Riki said:
i think has the same or similar electronical package of the V4.

The V4 has a whole new evolution of the electronics now due to the new 6-axis IMU. It has added features such as rear slide control, lean-angle sensitive quickshifter, and the track-focused cornering ABS function.

jarelj · Nov 8, 2017

jjsC6 said:
The best way to determine what it will do is look back at what happened to the Desmocidici. I have not done much research on it, but if I'm not mistaken it's high price was short lived. $70,000 is just a shitload of money for any bike.

Okay, just looked them up. They are holding up now as a collector item. I guess I'm not sure what they did when it went out of production. Might have been a bad example. But then again, it was a totally different bike.

Desmos dropped after the first year once availability and demand for used ones were no longer out of alignment. But they've always been $50k+ for normal circumstances. Occasionally you'll see one that someone is dumping due to whatever reason (just dumb seller, or bikes with high mileage) for $45k or so, but I think that bike is pretty firmly established as a desirable collector item at this point, and I doubt it will ever go down further in value. It's a real MotoGP replica, and if you've ever ridden one you know how it feels and sounds has never been matched by any other bike, it's very cool.

Riki · Nov 8, 2017

jarelj said:
The V4 has a whole new evolution of the electronics now due to the new 6-axis IMU. It has added features such as rear slide control, lean-angle sensitive quickshifter, and the track-focused cornering ABS function.

1299 sl has 6-axis IMU and rear slide control. lean-angle sensitive quickshifter and track-focused cornering abs it ´s new.

topolino · Nov 8, 2017

Riki said:
i think has the same or similar electronical package of the V4.

Yes but it what it lacks in terms of other new developments incorporated into the V4 it more than makes up for in terms of it's light weight, internally uprated engine and carbon parts, giving it an immense power to weight ratio. Will probably remain as collectible as as D16RR, an original 916SPS or a Supermono. All of which command good money.

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