If I knew then what I know now

MacaveliMC · Oct 16, 2013

Capt CF said:
Mark,
I'm in the same boat as you with the option to pick up an HP4 comp so I am waffling in my usual fashion back and forth between the two. Have you read anything about these warranty issues with the HP4?

NO WARRANTY for HP4 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

Just curious if this has been debunked or if there is a real issue with people having problems and not getting support from BMW. The 3 year warranty is much more attractive than Ducati's 2 year warranty, but not so much so if there may be a problem getting coverage.

Speaking of warranty, has anyone thought about getting an extended warranty on their pani?? I was considering extending mine for a year after it expires if possible....

Capt CF · Oct 16, 2013

MacaveliMC said:
Speaking of warranty, has anyone thought about getting an extended warranty on their pani?? I was considering extending mine for a year after it expires if possible....

Absolutely. Personally, I wouldn't own this bike out of warranty, but maybe that's just me being paranoid. Then again, looking at the issues that myself and others have had, maybe not.

My plan has always been to either dump it and upgrade at the end of warranty or shortly thereafter, pick up something else (HP4 maybe) or get an extended warranty.

Phl · Oct 16, 2013

MacaveliMC said:
Speaking of warranty, has anyone thought about getting an extended warranty on their pani?? I was considering extending mine for a year after it expires if possible....

should be available by now...

got this brochure at the dealer a few weeks ago, they said it's just "ramping up"... so should be running now.

mark419ny · Oct 16, 2013

first off the whole purpose of this is you dont get what you pay for with the 1199 i cant understand why people are still seeing this as a bmw vs ducati post. i could have used the r 1. for 15k i would have never ever had a problem and saved 15k with all the upgrades i had to do on the ducati. then people would post its not exotic or whatever no soul and all that bs that people say to justify their purpose.

all that being said i know there are some problems on the bmw site however all the bmw owners I know (me personally) have never had a problem. At the same time i know (personally) plenty of 1199 riders that have real problems.

im not talking about your friends brothers friend who knows a guy that his engine failed type of stuff. im talking ring ring hey mark did your pani have this issue with the dash cause mine just crapped out.

Phl · Oct 16, 2013

mark419ny said:
first off the whole purpose of this is you dont get what you pay for with the 1199 i cant understand why people are still seeing this as a bmw vs ducati post. i could have used the r 1. for 15k i would have never ever had a problem and saved 15k with all the upgrades i had to do on the ducati. then people would post its not exotic or whatever no soul and all that bs that people say to justify their purpose.

all that being said i know there are some problems on the bmw site however all the bmw owners I know (me personally) have never had a problem. At the same time i know (personally) plenty of 1199 riders that have real problems.

im not talking about your friends brothers friend who knows a guy that his engine failed type of stuff. im talking ring ring hey mark did your pani have this issue with the dash cause mine just crapped out.

you shoulda gone for lemon ...

Capt CF · Oct 16, 2013

Phil said:
you shoulda gone for lemon ...

I was just asking a question...didn't mean to set him off. Maybe you can distract him with a bagel, Nathan's hotdog, slice of pizza or whatever NY people eat and get him to quiet back down?

MacaveliMC · Oct 16, 2013

Phil said:
should be available by now...

got this brochure at the dealer a few weeks ago, they said it's just "ramping up"... so should be running now.

Hmmm, interesting! So that's an extended warranty plan eh? I can't see the fine print, does it say anything about cost?

Speedyellow · Oct 16, 2013

Not really got anything new to add however with my limited abilities the bike has exceeded my expectations and not had a day when I couldn't go for a ride due to issues over the last year and 8000kms.

Very happy with it and guess I'm just lucky that I seem to have a good one.

Knowing what I know now would make exactly the same decision, just earlier!

Realprop · Oct 16, 2013

Capt CF said:
I was just asking a question...didn't mean to set him off. Maybe you can distract him with a bagel, Nathan's hotdog, slice of pizza or whatever NY people eat and get him to quiet back down?

So the statement is flawed. I have never met a "quiet" New Yorker

Realprop · Oct 16, 2013

MacaveliMC said:
Hmmm, interesting! So that's an extended warranty plan eh? I can't see the fine print, does it say anything about cost?

I thought it was $1500. I could be off base. I inquired about the same thing since my warranty is almost up. I figured I'd trade it in on a '14
R or Base. If I could find a Senna though.....

mark419ny · Oct 16, 2013

Capt CF said:
I was just asking a question...didn't mean to set him off. Maybe you can distract him with a bagel, Nathan's hotdog, slice of pizza or whatever NY people eat and get him to quiet back down?

you didnt set me off i just happen to see more comments, the fact is if you think this post is about bmw vs ducati then you missed the whole point

you in the generic not you specifically.

Phl · Oct 16, 2013

you should do the STONER:

move to HONDA and then retire.

Capt CF · Oct 16, 2013

Phil said:
you should do the STONER:

move to HONDA and then retire.

Stoner would have posted a couple of times to the thread and then quit and moved to another forum.

gnance · Oct 16, 2013

I have to admit my last ducati (1198) was my first Italian and once the excitement of the purchase wore off and I had to live with it I was kind of disappointed. I dumped a .... ton of $ into that bike to make it liveable for what I wanted.

Funny thing was with as many problems as it had and all the upgrades/fixes I had to do to that bike....it is one of my favorite bikes I have owned. Maybe all those lonely nights we spent together in the garage getting to know one another...lol.

Once I sold it I always kind of missed it even after having a s1000rr, F4, and a zx10 in the interim.

Now that the pani is in the garage I got that special feeling back. I don't know what it is about those bikes...

jjsC6 · Oct 16, 2013

mark419ny said:
first off the whole purpose of this is you dont get what you pay for with the 1199 i cant understand why people are still seeing this as a bmw vs ducati post. i could have used the r 1. for 15k i would have never ever had a problem and saved 15k with all the upgrades i had to do on the ducati. then people would post its not exotic or whatever no soul and all that bs that people say to justify their purpose.

all that being said i know there are some problems on the bmw site however all the bmw owners I know (me personally) have never had a problem. At the same time i know (personally) plenty of 1199 riders that have real problems.

im not talking about your friends brothers friend who knows a guy that his engine failed type of stuff. im talking ring ring hey mark did your pani have this issue with the dash cause mine just crapped out.

It's fair enough to say we aren't getting what we paid for, but a few points. First, products are not marketing at what is fair, they are marketed at what price people will pay. The Ducati is an exclusive bike and people actually like it that way. Yes, if enough people like you decide they made a mistake, then Ducati has to rethink their product and their business model.

But honestly, would you be more willing on dealing with the problems and shortcomings if it were $5000 cheaper? I really don't think so. I have a $75,000 BMW car. I read on forums all the time about BMW's lack of quality and when I sold my Lexus everyone on that forum said "you'll be back". Fortunately I have not had any real problems, but yes - there are some annoying things about the car that I don't think it should have for that price. But I still don't regret it because overall it's a hell of a car.

I think there are plenty of us who don't feel cheated by the extra $5000 we paid for the Panigale because it functions as we expected it to - it feeds our desire (ego if you want to call it that) to have something with the extra Cache that the name "Ducati" gets us. It is very light and nimble, it is very fast, it does have a full suite of features that no Japanese bike offers (some offer some of the features, but none offers all of the features).

It's okay to not like the bike, to feel like it's not worth the money, to feel cheated etc. I suspect that everyone here understands where you are coming from or why. Isn't it nice to have choices?

DucatiBobski · Oct 16, 2013

I have read a lot of the comments on this thread with interest, Myself and a mate have ridden to a MotoGP in Europe every year for the last five years from the UK, Myself always on a Ducati and my mate did first two years on a Honda CBR600F and the last three on a S100RR

I have ridden an 1198S to Portugal, an 1098R LE to Germany and the Czech Republic and an 1199 Tric to Mugello and Assen. In all those trips and thousands of miles all I have needed was a new rectifier for the cooling system on the 1098 (it got very hot in Paris !) and my mate needed a new front wheel for the BMW while in Belgium after hitting a big lump of wood in the road.

Ducati came out collected the bike dropped me at the hotel and had the bike back 24 hours later with a new rectifier and a good clean, BMW did the same with the new wheel and spindle, 24 hours and a new wheel all fitted and sorted.

Maybe we have been lucky and there are lots of people who have had real issues and probably with both brands ? still very hard to say one is definitely better than the other, at the end of the day you pays your money and you takes your pick ? as long as you are on two wheels and having a blast whet the hell ?

PS my BMW mate is just in the process of trading in for the 1199R ? only saying !!!!

outhouse · Oct 16, 2013

gnance said:
Now that the pani is in the garage I got that special feeling back. I don't know what it is about those bikes...

here ye, here ye!

Parking my new pani in the garage last night gave me one hell of a feeling.

made my feeler chubby

outhouse · Oct 16, 2013

mark419ny said:
i cant understand why people are still seeing this as a bmw vs ducati post. .

because your backing BMW whole hearted.

for 15k i would have never ever had a problem and saved 15k with all the upgrades i had to do on the ducati.

That is a personal problem. one of choice.

Ill ride mine bone stock for its life, less some heat wrap under tail.

mark419ny · Oct 16, 2013

outhouse said:
because your backing BMW whole hearted.

i picked bmw for what you get at the price point and it is in direct competition with the 1199

i dont feel people cross shop a R1 and an 1199s

Duck41 · Oct 16, 2013

mark419ny said:
first off the whole purpose of this is you dont get what you pay for with the 1199 i cant understand why people are still seeing this as a bmw vs ducati post. i could have used the r 1. for 15k i would have never ever had a problem and saved 15k with all the upgrades i had to do on the ducati. then people would post its not exotic or whatever no soul and all that bs that people say to justify .

So essentially you're saying that if you purchase a Panigale and experience issues then you are not getting what you paid for, but if you purchase another brand bike at a cheaper price (like the BMW you referenced in the original post) and experience issues then you are at least getting what you paid for because of the lower price. This seems illogical unless the higher price is directly tied to some kind of guarantee. I really find it hard to believe that anyone uses the lower price of competing brand bikes to justify the possibility of experiencing issues. Whether you spend $15k or $30k, there is always the hope that the vehicle fuctions correctly, but the price point does not absolve the owner from the possibility of issues arising.

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