If I knew then what I know now

Realprop said:

Now I hear the BMW's run on 2 cylinders in the turns & only 4 when they need it.

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Thamer said:

As far as WSBK goes. The Beemers and kawis run 2 cylinders in corners for traction, and less than 4 mid race for fuel consumption.

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MacaveliMC said:

OK, hold on a second, can we talk about this? Because this seems a bit ridiculous, and frankly it's the first time I've heard of it. I'll be the first to admit I've been wrong before believe it or not (), but MotoGP, WSBK and AMA are three championships I keep a pretty good eye and ear to in every aspect, including technical.

Can we please post some proof as to this "two cylinders in the corner, 4 in the straights" stuff?? Because it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, I would think they just use some form of traction control, ignition retarding/cutting, fuel reducing, ect to all 4 cylinders. So if anyone has any expertise on this, or link to some proof, please post it because I hate just throwing stuff out there and having people believe it, especially if it sounds as suspicious as this does to me........I mean I could be wrong, but still, I'd like to see some proof

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ducjoe said:

so you'll soon have two beautiful pains in the neck

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flobrandx said:

Well, I guess I'll throw in my .02 on this...not that it matters in the grand scheme of everyone's opinions.

Yes, we all know there are some issues with the Pani and luckily I have only experienced the TSB881 harness issue, loose ground on the dash, paint issue. All were taken care of in a timely manner from my dealer. I'm good with that and being a first year bike there could be and will be issues. I don't think you can count bolts falling out due to improper installation of aftermarket parts. I do agree with the thought that they could have provided better pegs and seat but I don't think any manufacturer provides everything perfect or there would be no need for aftermarket parts.

I don't disagree completely with Mark and I get his frustration from the issues he has had and was there with him for the ridiculous coolant change procedure. I get it but is the BMW the answer? Maybe it is depending on the person.

If you are looking for value based on performance then sure the BMW is a better value for the $ if that's what you want to ride. Value was never a factor in my purchase of the Pani or else I would have just kept my CBR.

Everyone will have different experiences with their bike no matter who the manufacturer and model is. There isn't a perfect bike out there. I had a 2008 CBR1K and it had recalls for radiator hose clamp and crank issues. Yup, even Honda has issues.

Let's look at how many WSBK titles BMW has... Zero? And for Superstock they aren't walking away from the Pani which is more of a real test of the bikes we ride.

At the end of the day how many of us can ring them out and get all the potential out of them? So, it comes down to comfort, reliability, and of course looks for most of us normal people. Just buy whatever makes you happy and ride!

And Mark, I'll be looking forward to your review and comparison of the HP4 cause I know you'll be brutally honest.

Disclaimer - This was just my opinion and was not an attack at anyone's comments in this thread or bash on Mark.

End of .02 rambling...

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MacaveliMC said:

OK, hold on a second, can we talk about this? Because this seems a bit ridiculous, and frankly it's the first time I've heard of it. I'll be the first to admit I've been wrong before believe it or not (), but MotoGP, WSBK and AMA are three championships I keep a pretty good eye and ear to in every aspect, including technical.

Can we please post some proof as to this "two cylinders in the corner, 4 in the straights" stuff?? Because it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, I would think they just use some form of traction control, ignition retarding/cutting, fuel reducing, ect to all 4 cylinders. So if anyone has any expertise on this, or link to some proof, please post it because I hate just throwing stuff out there and having people believe it, especially if it sounds as suspicious as this does to me........I mean I could be wrong, but still, I'd like to see some proof

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Brad said:

Super stock is where it's really at.
The bikes we buy at the dealer are much more closely related to what's actually running around the track.
The 1199 is going just fine so far in it's development IMO.

Super bike is outer worldly in comparison.

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2013RedSabs said:

I agree that the oem seat and pegs are a joke. They should have been improved on 2013 models.

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MacaveliMC said:

OK, hold on a second, can we talk about this? Because this seems a bit ridiculous, and frankly it's the first time I've heard of it. I'll be the first to admit I've been wrong before believe it or not (), but MotoGP, WSBK and AMA are three championships I keep a pretty good eye and ear to in every aspect, including technical.

Can we please post some proof as to this "two cylinders in the corner, 4 in the straights" stuff?? Because it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, I would think they just use some form of traction control, ignition retarding/cutting, fuel reducing, ect to all 4 cylinders. So if anyone has any expertise on this, or link to some proof, please post it because I hate just throwing stuff out there and having people believe it, especially if it sounds as suspicious as this does to me........I mean I could be wrong, but still, I'd like to see some proof

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2013RedSabs said:

Poor customer service aside, best value bike the Pani is not.

First its a Ducati....read not cheap, they produce a small number of boutique bikes. In addition it was the first production year for a performance bike that is both unconventional and unproven.

This is where the op lost me. He expected best bang for the buck? Smile per mile maybe but not bang for the buck.

I have had my share of warranties so far and have received outstanding service thus far. Wish Mark could say the same. I am use to highly modified cars so parts breaking is normal therefore I expected some issues even if the bike was priced at 60k. It is made by humans after all and has yet to be proven.

I agree that the oem seat and pegs are a joke. They should have been improved on 2013 models.

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jjsC6 said:

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But the last sentence is why I have learned to not listen to everything I read on forums. I was ready to replace the pegs before I even bought the bike. I don't even notice any issues with them now. I do have the comfort seat, but in all honesty what I have found is that my weight is so spread over the pegs, handlebars and seat that I'm amazed that my butt never bothers me. And keep in mind that I have a BMW 1600GT that I have spent $1200 on two different seats for it (Sargent and Russell Day Long) and I have a Sargent seat on my Ninja 1000.

In fairness, I realize that everyone has a different tolerance and preference for those things.

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MacaveliMC said:

You don't notice any issue with the stock pegs being ultra slippery??

.....do you have 6 inch chicken strips too? Have you leaned the bike, ridden aggressively at all??

That's not a shot at your riding ability, that's just wondering if you've even ridden the bike yet in a way that would cause you to rely on the grip of the pegs, like a lot of us do. That's why we complain about the pegs. They are ULTRA slippery for the grip needed for any sort of spirited riding!

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MacaveliMC said:

You don't notice any issue with the stock pegs being ultra slippery??

.....do you have 6 inch chicken strips too? Have you leaned the bike, ridden aggressively at all??

That's not a shot at your riding ability, that's just wondering if you've even ridden the bike yet in a way that would cause you to rely on the grip of the pegs, like a lot of us do. That's why we complain about the pegs. They are ULTRA slippery for the grip needed for any sort of spirited riding!

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jjsC6 said:

I have about 1/4 inch chicken strip on the left and none on the right. I also finished in the top three in the country in three different classes in the AMA amateur road racing series my first full year of racing in 1982, and I still ride as hard as ever on the street despite my age. Now, what was your question again?

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Stw said:

He was asking how come you don't think the stock pegs are not insanely slippery???

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jjsC6 said:

I don't know how to answer that. I guess because my feet have never slipped on them. Maybe it's because I put bubble gum on the bottom of my boots

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jjsC6 said:

I have about 1/4 inch chicken strip on the left and none on the right. I also finished in the top three in the country in three different classes in the AMA amateur road racing series my first full year of racing in 1982, and I still ride as hard as ever on the street despite my age. Now, what was your question again?

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Stw said:

It may be a technique thing...Not sure anybody doubts your riding style/proficiency but cornering "normally" requires downward pressure on the inner peg and the stocks just simply don't allow for that..with any confidence at least... and reading the review of the 899 the riders had the same issue... Perhaps instead of top 3 you would win with better pegs??

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jjsC6 said:

First, I am not offended by the questioning...no worries there. Yes, it probably is because of my riding style. I never hung off much, I just shift a little bit. Back when I raced hanging off was pretty new. I just do what works for me. I agree that with today's bikes and techniques it might be required to be competitive.

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